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How I leared what a decoupling capacitor is for, the hard way

https://nbelakovski.substack.com/p/how-i-learned-what-a-decoupling-capacitor
28•actinium226•2d ago

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oakwhiz•1h ago
Seems like a missed opportunity to try adding a capacitor dead-bug style onto the board to see if it cleans it up.
dragontamer•1h ago
If it's really 20MHz++ noise that's screwing him, you need something faster than a through hole capacitor IMO to deal with it.

That being said, I'm not 100% convinced this is a 20MHz++ noise issue.

hadrietta•1h ago
Having 1.5V Vpp ripple on a 3.3V supply rail seems more like an issue with the regulator / bulk capacitance than a decoupling capacitor, I would think?
dragontamer•56m ago
Yeah. Decoupling capacitors are for smaller ripples than that.

There might be a resonnance point on that regulator, or maybe a maximum capacitance that was violated on the feedback.

There are a TON of ways to screw up your PDN on a PCB. It's nominally a master's degree level subject.

actinium226•44m ago
Yea since writing this I think it has more to do with the regulator circuit. I plan to do a small rewrite and change the title to something like "When 3.3V isn't actually 3.3V" to more accurately reflect the situation. A decoupling cap would probably still help, but there were some mistakes made on the regulator circuit.
dragontamer•38m ago
Switching regulators (and even linear regulators!!) have maximum capacitance ratings.

Adding more capacitance could, in theory, further destabilize your regulator.

The overall tank circuit (the inductor + capacitor forming the bulk of the switching circuit) is incredibly fragile.

It's legend that some old switching designs stopped working as newer tantalum capacitors had less resistance, screwing with the stability of older switching designs. You kind of need to choose exactly the "expected" kind of capacitor (aluminum caps have more resistance, which increases stability of the feedback but slows down the feedback).

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