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Oil tanker hijacked off Yemen, steers toward Somalia

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/yemen-says-oil-tanker-hijacked-121710980.html
35•delichon•2h ago

Comments

radu_floricica•1h ago
I still don't get how this works. My world image must be pretty off at this point if this kind of thing is possible. A tanker is big, expensive, and not exactly easy to misplace. And for a nation to be able to send this kind of expeditions it must be both dysfunctional enough to allow this, but competent enough to be able to mount it. And other countries allow it? Why? Again with the "expensive and hard to misplace".
toasty228•1h ago
All you need is a dude with a small boat, an rpg and some kind of short range radio really.
OutOfHere•1h ago
Many but not all tankers these days do have defensive equipment, e.g. jet sprays, but these probably can't stop too many boats, or if the tanker doesn't have such protection.
ceejayoz•1h ago
If I have a hose and the other guy has an RPG I’m probably not starting shit.
AnimalMuppet•1h ago
If you have a hose that you can fire from a fairly protected position and the guy with the RPG is completely exposed because he's trying to climb up the side of a tanker, yeah, I might.

See, the hijackers can't actually sail the ship. So they can't kill the crew, or at least can't kill very many of them.

tokai•1h ago
>See, the hijackers can't actually sail the ship

Its pretty dumb to assume that.

Somali commercial sailors and merchant mariners do exist. Information and simulator software is available also in Somalia.

bayarearefugee•1h ago
> If you have a hose that you can fire from a fairly protected position and the guy with the RPG is completely exposed because he's trying to climb up the side of a tanker, yeah, I might.

In this scenario you are standing on a ship that is full of highly flammable oil.

There are more outcomes than just the hijackers gain control of the ship or they leave you alone.

If gaining control is no longer an option they could decide "fuck it" and just fire into the side of your hull.

nradov•19m ago
Fire is always a risk, but crude oil is not "highly flammable". Some refined products and LNG are more problematic.
dotancohen•16m ago
That might cause the oil to leak out. It's unlikely to start a fire unless the tank is fairly empty.
gpm•32m ago
> See, the hijackers can't actually sail the ship. So they can't kill the crew, or at least can't kill very many of them.

Sailing the ship safely takes some skill.

Sailing the ship at all takes about 5 minutes of watching youtube worth of learning.

And they can certainly sink the ship as a warning to the next ship. Indeed attacks in the area have a history of sinking ships: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houthi_attacks_on_commercial_v...

Aerroon•13m ago
Is an RPG enough? I feel like the crew of the oil tanker would want to defend themselves from armed pirates even if it might damage the ship some. And modern ships can be quite sturdy.

In 2020 a Venezuelan patrol boat (1500 tons) tried to stop an Arctic cruise ship (6000 tons). The patrol boat rammed the bow of the cruise ship and sank. The cruise ship received superficial damage to the bow.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-52151951

dgellow•1h ago
For the « how », you can watch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Phillips_(film) to get an idea of the pirate logistics
fredoralive•1h ago
Oil tankers only have like 20-30 crew on board, you’re not going to need that many men with AK47s to take over. Navies do patrol piracy hotspots like Somalia, freedom of navigation is kinda important to world trade, but they can’t exactly be everywhere at once.
SanjayMehta•1h ago
It's very simple. "Pirates" use small arms and small boats.

The US navy uses helicopters and ship mounted canons.

Occasionally they double tap "drug smugglers" with missiles. Or sink inadequately armed "enemy" ships with a torpedo, followed by a second one after 19 minutes.

The difference is minor between piracy and war crimes: "δυνατὰ δὲ οἱ προύχοντες πράσσουσι καὶ οἱ ἀσθενεῖς ξυγχωροῦσιν"

echelon_musk•1h ago
Trump was quoted in the last day as saying "We’re like pirates" in reference to the US Navy.
dmitrygr•1h ago
All it takes is a world which has convinced itself that it is “time to be tolerant of all and punish none — all misbehavior is not a fault of the actor but instead the world at large is responsible”

Start dealing with pirates like they did in the 18th century, and watch how fast it ends. It would only take a few dozen publicly hung pirates to make the point.

senordevnyc•56m ago
You know that various navies have conducted operations that have killed many more Somali pirates than that, right? No idea what you’re quoting there, but it’s a bizarre caricature of the world we live in.
mlyle•55m ago
Did that work in the 18th century? Hanging a few pirates eliminated piracy?

It's my understanding it was more about the loss of favorable basing and the reduction in Spanish shipments of treasure that caused the decline.

We've killed plenty of would-be pirates recently. Doesn't seem to have ended the problem.

delichon•36m ago
> Did that work in the 18th century?

It did in the early 19th century. Check out the first and second Barbary Wars. They were not permanent solutions but they had lasting effects. The real blow was the French conquest of Algeria after that.

hvb2•54m ago
I'm pretty sure that the typical HN reader doesn't understand what desperation is.

You can put a high wall at a border but desperate people will try to scale it. No matter how high you make it. People are willing to cross things like the Darien gap [0], they'll do a lot of things.

If you have nothing to lose, and I mean nothing, you might be willing to take the gamble.

0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dari%C3%A9n_Gap

ryandrake•4m ago
What gets me is that we could have a desperation-free world if we wanted to, but no, instead, we set up the world so that billionaires can buy more super-yachts.
tiagod•35m ago
Many ships carry very heavily armed private security. You're describing a world that does not exist.
croes•20m ago
And still there are drug traffickers in countries with the death penalty on drug trafficking.

Those crimes correlate with poverty.

You want less crimes? Provide social security to get rid of the criminals out of desperation

BirAdam•51m ago
Much of the current state of the world is coasting on things done in prior eras, and this is always the case. A country needn’t be able to build a large boat now to have built one in the past. They can send that boat around the world until someone realizes that the US guarantee of safe water ways too is something it can no longer enforce. The world behaves as if the USA were its older self, but it isn’t. Also, a large navy isn’t very useful when ships that cost more than a billion USD can be disabled by drones that cost less than ten thousand USD. As such, US ship movement in the area is limited by both Yemen and Iran.
echelon•47m ago
The world before WWII was chaos. It has never been peaceful to be a human for much of our species' existence.

America was the global hegemon. Under the "rules based order", where America safeguarded international trade in exchange for having the US Dollar at the center, we had the largest period of stability the world has seen.

Now that everyone wants to displace America, we're pluging back into chaos. America is abdicating its role and turning into an isolationist power.

There's going to be an increase in war as countries try to claim territory and resources.

Piracy and blockades will come back. Trading alliances and trading blocs will form.

The world will turn into a powder keg. This time with nukes.

The vacuum left behind as America shuts itself off will create lots of power struggles. There will be a lot of trade disruption to energy, goods, and food inputs. It's also going to be incredibly violent.

Avicebron•35m ago
> America was the global hegemon. Under the "rules based order", where America safeguarded international trade in exchange for having the US Dollar at the center, we had the largest period of stability the world has seen.

> ...America is abdicating its role and turning into an isolationist power.

Good thing America is one singular entity with everyone living in it both equally benefiting from it and also responsible for it's current state.

What we are seeing is neoliberalism gone rancid and the predictable fallout.

icegreentea2•21m ago
As other people have noted, Somali piracy is not "new". It's been happening since the 90s (Somali Civil war and failed international interventions). There were, and still are multinational (basically chartered by the UN) naval task forces operating in the area, to deter and interdict pirates. See CTF-151 (https://combinedmaritimeforces.com/ctf-151-counter-piracy/)

These types of actions are not perfect, they cannot stop everything, so you still see successful attacks happen.

And no one wants to try to intervene in Somalia itself. The world tried that in the 90s and got completely burned.

So the answer is that "other countries are not allowing it" in the same way that no country allows murder, and yet it still happens.

bmitch3020•14m ago
The response will need to come from the country where the tanker is registered/flagged. Liberia and Panama aren't exactly known for their Navy fleets. Without that, it's up to the ship's commercial owner to resolve, or more likely, their insurance company.

The crew are rarely trained and equip to respond to an armed attack. If they have anyone to defend the ship, at most it's a handful of mercenaries hired for the high risk part of the trip.

wrboyce•7m ago
I have friends who have been those mercenaries, and I think your comment underplays it a bit… they are all ex-SBS and not somebody I’d want to fuck with!
kjkjadksj•5m ago
So you can just steal any ship registered to some nation with little naval presence and no one knows how to handle it? It just becomes the spiderman meme of insurance and corporate and nations pointing at each other and meanwhile you’ve successfully stolen a ship in 2026? Crazy world we live in. The modern age is strange.
jeffbee•1h ago
The whole global just-in-time supply chain depended on at least the illusion of the freedom of the seas guaranteed by the United States, which the US unambiguously spoiled this year. Piracy never went away altogether but a multi-polar world where regional powers sanction piracy and provide the pirates with sophisticated weapons isn't going to underpin the same kind of global economy.
slim•45m ago
US navy doing piracy does not help either
dylan604•29m ago
> which the US unambiguously spoiled this year.

Didn't the Evergiven do this years ago showing that blocking one highly trafficked route would cause chaos?

vrganj•46m ago
Related:

Trump on US Navy Seizing Ships:

> It’s a very profitable business. We’re like pirates.

https://xcancel.com/Acyn/status/2050368660360032561

3eb7988a1663•14m ago
1. Steal oil tanker

2. ??

3. Profit

What is step 2? Normally, I would assume you try to minimize the incentives in buying stolen goods. In this market, nobody is above buying dubiously sourced oil, but what is the likely destination? Do the pirates patiently sit at the oil depot while the ship gets pumped dry, hoping the check clears and nobody shoots them on sight? Once you have an empty $100MM tanker, how do you unload that vessel?

Is it possible the Indian/Japanese/other-petroleum desperate government strike a deal with the pirates?

manquer•11m ago
[delayed]
onemoresoop•9m ago
Either used internally or sold off on the black market at a huge discount maybe?
icegreentea2•9m ago
They hold the ship and crew hostage and try to get a ransom.
explorigin•8m ago
2. Ransom
gpm•7m ago
Step 2. is (or has usually been) hold ship and crew hostage for ransom payment from the ships owner.
bmitch3020•8m ago
Considering Saudi Arabia was bypassing the blockade of the Hormuz Strait by piping as much oil as they could to the Red Sea, this is going to cut that off (or significantly increase the insurance costs). Things just keep getting worse in the oil supply chain. It's a shame we didn't focus more on increasing the supply from renewable alternatives.

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