I watched that video a dozen times and I still don’t understand where the angular momentum came from. That guy must have been trying to throw himself, right??
_carbyau_•35m ago
I don't know in this case.
But I do know some of the moves are:
"If you don't throw yourself, your wrist/elbow/shoulder/whatever will be dislocated or broken."
And so the student, knowing this, saves themselves. IE the idea of rolling with the punches.
Which is to say, some moves are to be judged on the possible result, not the one you saw.
Whether that applies in this case, I don't know.
busterarm•29m ago
I came to reply with some form of this.
Aikido demonstration is cooperative. Uke and nage. Somebody throws and somebody receives the throw. I'm not one of those "Aikido is fake" people, but Aikido has no tournaments and isn't represented in MMA for a reason.
If you're in a real fight and properly distributing your weight, things you see in Aikido just don't happen. That's not shade on Aikido. It's a worthy effort for anyone who wants to devote themselves to it. It's just not a real representation of what happens in combat and this is much more true about Aikido than just about any other martial art you could practice.
The philosophy behind what the submission author wrote is strong. I was pretty moved by it and it effectively communicates what most people call beginner mindset. That mindset has brought me a ton of success in life.
oceansweep•22m ago
It should also be noted Aikido’s original purpose was not for battle. It descended from Morihei Ueshiba studying Daito-ryu and wanting something less violent to practice after returning from war.
busterarm•18m ago
Absolutely!
Also there's nothing fake about standing joint locks. Aikido just isn't the only martial art where you can learn them. Wing Chun, Hapkido, (Japanese) Jujutsu, etc...
But standing joint locks will only help you in dealing with belligerent drunks, not defending yourself against someone with real intent on your harm.
Aikido is beautiful and historically/culturally relevant.
dpark•16m ago
> Aikido demonstration is cooperative. Uke and nage. Somebody throws and somebody receives the throw. I'm not one of those "Aikido is fake" people, but Aikido has no tournaments and isn't represented in MMA for a reason.
Judo and Jiu Jitsu have Uke and Tori for demonstrations. Same concept. Except when Uke gets thrown, they really get thrown. They will cooperate with the move but they aren’t providing the momentum.
I don’t know if Aikido is “fake”, but I do think it’s more of a performance than a martial art.
defrost•12m ago
Aikido, B-Jiu-Jitsu, Ballet, and running laps all have their place in training for "real combat" - the stamina, the reflexes, the flexibility, the locks, being able to roll all help to come through with minimal damage.
Still, the annals of Stand Up, Don't Fall Down comedy eight minutes of Jesse Enkamp entering a Jiu-Jitsu tournament to Prove It Doesn't Work still entertains - the training montage is priceless.
Getting back to Aikido, one master is of the opinion it's not in MMA as its either ineffectual non damaging ritual OR it's high damage, crippling, lethal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtibobLK56I
titanomachy•39m ago
_carbyau_•35m ago
But I do know some of the moves are:
"If you don't throw yourself, your wrist/elbow/shoulder/whatever will be dislocated or broken."
And so the student, knowing this, saves themselves. IE the idea of rolling with the punches.
Which is to say, some moves are to be judged on the possible result, not the one you saw.
Whether that applies in this case, I don't know.
busterarm•29m ago
Aikido demonstration is cooperative. Uke and nage. Somebody throws and somebody receives the throw. I'm not one of those "Aikido is fake" people, but Aikido has no tournaments and isn't represented in MMA for a reason.
If you're in a real fight and properly distributing your weight, things you see in Aikido just don't happen. That's not shade on Aikido. It's a worthy effort for anyone who wants to devote themselves to it. It's just not a real representation of what happens in combat and this is much more true about Aikido than just about any other martial art you could practice.
The philosophy behind what the submission author wrote is strong. I was pretty moved by it and it effectively communicates what most people call beginner mindset. That mindset has brought me a ton of success in life.
oceansweep•22m ago
busterarm•18m ago
Also there's nothing fake about standing joint locks. Aikido just isn't the only martial art where you can learn them. Wing Chun, Hapkido, (Japanese) Jujutsu, etc...
But standing joint locks will only help you in dealing with belligerent drunks, not defending yourself against someone with real intent on your harm.
Aikido is beautiful and historically/culturally relevant.
dpark•16m ago
Judo and Jiu Jitsu have Uke and Tori for demonstrations. Same concept. Except when Uke gets thrown, they really get thrown. They will cooperate with the move but they aren’t providing the momentum.
I don’t know if Aikido is “fake”, but I do think it’s more of a performance than a martial art.
defrost•12m ago
Still, the annals of Stand Up, Don't Fall Down comedy eight minutes of Jesse Enkamp entering a Jiu-Jitsu tournament to Prove It Doesn't Work still entertains - the training montage is priceless.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAJ2vt8wUbY
Getting back to Aikido, one master is of the opinion it's not in MMA as its either ineffectual non damaging ritual OR it's high damage, crippling, lethal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtibobLK56I