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Big tech's anti-labor playbook has come for Wikipedia

https://medium.com/@jakeorlowitz/wikipedia-is-doing-the-capitalist-thing-56a393232943
76•cdrnsf•1h ago

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AndrewKemendo•51m ago
They (private equity) come for everyone eventually.

There’s nowhere left to go.

qsxfthnkp2322•50m ago
Enshitification at the cost of your employees. Great.
nickff•45m ago
>"Wikipedia’s workers are fighting to unionize because the institution hosting the world’s encyclopedia has started acting like a regular employer at exactly the moment when the world most needs it to act like something better.

>"The encyclopedia belongs to everyone. The labor that sustains it deserves the same protection."

If Wikipedia has excess reserves, that money should be directed to a worthy cause, not just the people at its office. The labor that sustains it is made up of many more people than those who are employees; trying to milk monopoly rents out of Wikipedia will be its (long and slow) death sentence.

xocnad•32m ago
I am not knowledgeable at all about the structure or internal politics but on the face of it (based solely on the representations in this "article") wouldn't the staff that were directly dedicated to implementing the communities priorities be a "worthy cause"?
benmusch•20m ago
I think "worthy cause" is a poor choice of words from the OP, but the idea is: WMF has goals that it wants to accomplish in the world, and they should staff on that basis, not on the basis of honoring historical contributions, which were already compensated with the wages at the time.

I don't have an opinion on how that's used in this situation FWIW, this seems like an extremely reasonable engineering team to employ for that basis.

throwaway894345•28m ago
I don't have a strong opinion on this particular conflict, but I have thought about this in the abstract a bit (and landed on no satisfying conclusion). Basically, I've always been a strong proponent of workers demanding their fair share from a traditional company where the entire game is squeezing employees / society to maximize shareholder returns at all costs. However, I'm much less convinced that the same applies when the employer organization has a genuine nonprofit mission (the thing that actually brought this to my mind was an Atlantic article about how Democratic Party employees were "squabbling" about perks while engaging in a literal fight against fascism). That said, I don't think those employees should sacrifice everything for some "greater good" particularly when the rest of us in society are not--like I said, no satisfying conclusions--just noting the different dynamics.
gowld•20m ago
Wikipedia owners are free to not have any employees, to prefer employees who donate some of their pay back to the organization, or solicit only volunteers. Workers are free to ask to be paid for their work.
oytis•9m ago
An organization genuinely dedicated to a mission for common good has even more reasons to share power with its employees in my view
anigbrowl•23m ago
You make it sound like they're demanding multi-mmilion $ bonuses. FTA:

The union’s demands are embarrassingly modest

This is what Wiki Workers United is asking for. Transparency and accountability from leadership toward both staff and movement communities. Real staff input on annual planning before decisions are finalized. An end to inconsistent hiring, firing, and promotion practices. The ability to safely dissent. Mental health support for the workers who deal with the community directly. Their organizing principle, borrowed from disability rights, is nothing about us without us.

I'm unclear why Wikimedia has brought in a wall Street finance guy as CEO, but complaining about labor while shrugging indifferently at the money people imposing a hierarchical model of control on a community-driven venture is absurd.

jmyeet•24m ago
My suspicion here is that there are deeper issues for which union-busting is a symptom and not the main issue. There's a battle to control what information gets recorded and distributed, an effort to silence anything that contradicts US foreign policy, basically.

Wikimedia Foundation CEO Bernadette Meehan has very much a Beltway insider, working for the the US foreign service, the Obama administration (NSC), the Obama foundation and the Biden administration (Ambassador to Chile). Personally, I deeply distrust anyone having a lot of influence over what is essentially the world's actively recorded history book.

There's history here too, specifically the 2016 secret project to essentially label infomration on the Internet as "reliable" [1]. It became controversial because it violated the Foundation's transparency rules so there's cause for concern over transparency.

We're all familiar I'm sure with some of the lamest edit wars [2]. But this stuff matters. STates actively interfere with Wikipedia to whitewash or outright falsiy the record or reputation of states or people.

Not Wikipedia, but the Turkish government fairly famously was caught manipulating Google search results to surface propaganda as the first link on the Aremanian genocide [3].

Wikipedia has been the target of these influence campaigns too eg [4][5].

[1]: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-35668352

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Lamest_edit_wars

[3]: https://www.vice.com/en/article/how-google-searches-are-prom...

[4]: https://wassermanschultz.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?...

[5]: https://www.adl.org/resources/report/editing-hate-how-anti-i...

legitster•10m ago
17 months of operating expenses are actually not a lot for a foundation. Especially one whose goal is to preserve something for a long horizon.

Unions exist to combat the monopsony power of corporations. Corporations and unions can exist in constant tension with each other because ultimately both are bound by the market of their product.

I don't think the logic holds up when you're talking about foundations or charities. I'm donating to Wikipedia because I want to advance their cause. If the unions goal is to raid donations and get an increasing share, that could potentially go bad.

Worse, the union can sometimes capture an org and begin to exert control of the mission.

Even if you're very pro-union, there is legitimate reason to be hesitant here.

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