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Various LLM Smells

https://shvbsle.in/various-llm-smells/
58•speckx•2h ago

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n42•52m ago

  No ___, no ____. Just _____
or using "honest" to describe an approach.
GrinningFool•4m ago
Jab, jab, thrust is how I think about that pattern. Or tap tap whack, if you prefer. And it shows up for for positives to:

"Smooth. Effortless. A perfect fit for your needs".

In any style of informal or persuasive writing this shows up , as if it has to drive the point in.

I kind of wish we'd stop talking openly about what the tells are. It's nice to be able to determine with fair accuracy - but it couldn't last forever.

danielodievich•45m ago
All of those are included in the bulk of the documents passing my work input these days. It is infuriating. Out of principle I maintain 100% me in all my writing but I don't know if it matters. Well maybe it does... an interviewee recently complimented me on the "nicest and most human resume" they saw recently. That felt good
exe34•26m ago
Do you send your resume to people before you interview them?
dionian•44m ago
KPI cards, purple gradients
KronisLV•42m ago
> The "JetBrains Mono" font

Thought for sure we'd get a critique of Inter overuse. JetBrains Mono is a lovely font, though.

fortyseven•25m ago
It's my daily driver, so I kind of twitched a bit saying that list in here. I never noticed because I was using it anyway, I guess.
dvt•42m ago
It's kind of interesting how genuinely hard it is to get models to deviate from basically all of these tropes. You can straight up tell it "I hate that card design, do something different, get creative!" and it'll do something either (a) ugly as sin (clearly just essentially a random walk through parameters) or (b) some same-y derivation of that card.

In coding, I've noticed a few tropes as well: everything is a "contract" or an "artifact" (clearly trained on like three decades of Java lol), everything is constantly "backwards-compatible" or "versioned" (even if working on a brand new greenfield project), and a few others.

jkdufair•37m ago
If claude says "load bearing" once more, I think I'll vomit.
dieselgate•17m ago
That's a funny one. I don't use LLMs at all but "load bearing" is such a common/over-used internet joke for DIY building projects and stuff like "load bearing caulk". Have never heard it in a software sense really so am slightly perplexed
dvt•17m ago
Hah, ChatGPT constantly says "that's real" or "less about X, more about Y."
mil22•40m ago
Those cards, so familiar! Exactly what Opus produced for me.

Did Anthropic and/or OpenAI deliberately train their models to produce websites with a specific design language, or did these stylistic preferences emerge naturally as some kind of LLM-selected optimum?

Planktonne•39m ago
> The LLM generated writing obviously felt significantly better than my own writing.

A general pattern for LLMs is that they look really good at things you are bad at. What that means is that if you find yourself thinking of its output as significantly better than yours in a particular domain, there's a high chance that you are not equipped to judge that quality effectively.

bell-cot•36m ago
Mnemonic: geLL-Mann amnesia effect
dvt•35m ago
Honestly, I can't fathom thinking that LLM writing is even remotely passable. People that think this should honestly read more. One book a month is hardly an aspirational goal. You don't even have to read Melville or Hemingway or Chaucer or Shakespeare, just pick up any popular NYT best seller, and it'll be significantly better than anything an LLM can generate.
xienze•18m ago
> I can't fathom thinking that LLM writing is even remotely passable. People that think this should honestly read more.

This makes me think you're only exposing yourself to high quality writing online and from an intelligent circle of friends and coworkers. The average person's reading and writing abilities are _atrocious_ and only getting worse. LLM prose is significantly better than what the average person can produce.

sublinear•10m ago
Are we also saying it's acceptable to feed people junk because it's better than what they would cook?

At some point you're just making bad excuses for false scarcity.

docheinestages•27m ago
You are right to push back.
manoDev•27m ago
Welcome to the future of fast-food software. Taste of deep frying and preservatives.
poszlem•20m ago
What I find amazing is how HARD it is to make the LLM produce a piece of text that does not sound like slop. I have had dozens of sessions where I tried to make it write like a human would, and yet it still uses those tired writing phrases. I don't understand why neither openai, nor anthropic are able to do anything to make it better, and in some cases it feels like we are actually going backwards.
spdustin•20m ago
- “(The) honest caveat:” (or “genuine caveat:”, both with the colon)

- “(The) honest answer:” (again, with colon)

- “The thing to internalize:”

- “The smoking gun:”

(really, sentences that start with “The <tag suggesting the next clause is the key point>:” are a strong tell, but those four are the most prolific)

- “load bearing” (when not talking about architecture)

- “blast radius” (when not talking about actual explosives, but rather the effect of an event/action)

- “smoke test” (esp. when “sanity check” is more apropos)

- Lists of three clauses/adjectives where the third is really just a combination of the first two

- Referring to the “shape” of things figuratively

- Social media posts that end with “Curious if anyone…”

- Stories or anecdotes using. “Oh. Oh.” (where the second “oh” is italicized)

Edit: Yes, some of those last ones are terms that we often use as devs...but I would argue about the actual frequency of their use. Plus, these tells live on in prose generated by the latest models.

rimeice•18m ago
Scrolling down a LinkedIn feed is hilarious at the moment.

My favourite one today from today:

“The tax isn't the problem. The mindset is.”

1970-01-01•13m ago
The LLM doesn't smell like authentic writing but it does a great job for fast and cheap words. We've gained something similar to fast food. Words made very cheap, very fast, easily digestible, but they have no emotion. In short stints it does have a place in the world.
gchamonlive•9m ago
Really hard to take your comment serious when the only post on dvt.name is a hello world page, because at least OP is trying to publish and you are lacking moral high ground to judge him thinking LLM writing is good.
skydhash•26m ago
I dabble in drawing and I find LLM images (and maybe some non LLM one) abhorrent. As for why, I can think are no consistency (perspective, small details, and color theory) and too much details making it a visual noise. In most painting, the artist will have a subject that is most detailed (to draw the eyes) and from there, the lost of details will follow some kond of logic. This is how you pinpoint what the artist is most interested in. LLM looks like a filter applied to a montage of pictures.
gchamonlive•16m ago
It's like a gross looking slice of pizza, it's mindbending because at first it looks good, after all it's pizza, but something in it makes it really disgusting

Claude Opus 4.8

https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-opus-4-8
994•craigmart•4h ago•787 comments

Bricks and Minifigs Stole a Man's $200k Lego Collection

https://mybricklog.com/blog/bricks-minifigs-corporate-stole-old-mans-200000-lego-collection
281•philips•2h ago•120 comments

Just Use Postgres for Durable Workflows

https://www.dbos.dev/blog/postgres-is-all-you-need-for-durable-execution
181•KraftyOne•2h ago•68 comments

Various LLM Smells

https://shvbsle.in/various-llm-smells/
63•speckx•2h ago•32 comments

Nitpicking the shell history scene in 'Tron: Legacy'

https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/quasiblog/tron-legacy/
70•speckx•2h ago•13 comments

Social Animus

https://justine.lol/animus/
52•jart•1h ago•8 comments

Bitburner, programming-based incremental game

https://bitburner-official.github.io/
55•agmater•3h ago•7 comments

I hated writing–until I learned there's a science to it(2024)

https://www.science.org/content/article/i-hated-writing-until-i-learned-there-s-science-it
79•o4c•3h ago•28 comments

News about Raspberry Pi 6 and Microcontroller Development

https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2026/news-about-raspberry-pi-6-and-microcontroller-development/
101•rbanffy•2d ago•75 comments

Show HN: Continue? Y/N: A 60-second game about AI agent permission fatigue

https://llmgame.scalex.dev
187•Wirbelwind•8h ago•91 comments

The Permanent Upper Crow

https://permanent-upper-crow.jasonwu.ink/
120•whiteblossom•6h ago•40 comments

Separate the Cord from the Device

https://bookofjoe2.blogspot.com/2026/05/blog-post_27.html
17•bookofjoe•2h ago•15 comments

I Made a Million Dollar Product from My Dorm Room (2025)

https://nick.winans.io/blog/nice-nano/
8•mattrighetti•1h ago•0 comments

Indoor Wi-Fi Roaming with OpenWRT

https://taoofmac.com/space/blog/2026/05/26/1730
182•zdw•2d ago•89 comments

Ask HN: Entrepreneurs, how long did it take you to succeed?

28•asdev•48m ago•14 comments

The Most Unlikely School Bag

https://www.carryology.com/insights/carry-culture/the-tale-of-the-worlds-most-unlikely-school-bag/
40•surprisetalk•3d ago•15 comments

Show HN: Ktx – Open-source executable context layer for data agents

https://github.com/Kaelio/ktx
36•lucamrtl•6h ago•5 comments

Endive: A JVM native WebAssembly runtime

https://github.com/bytecodealliance/endive
37•theanonymousone•4h ago•12 comments

The Lone Lisp Heap

https://www.matheusmoreira.com/articles/lone-lisp-heap
20•stevekemp•3h ago•8 comments

Confidence Scores for Exam Questions

https://nomagicpill.substack.com/p/confidence-scores-for-exam-questions
6•surprisetalk•3d ago•4 comments

Sam Altman and Dario Amodei are both walking back AI jobs apocalypse predictions

https://fortune.com/2026/05/26/sam-altman-dario-amodei-walking-back-ai-jobs-apocalypse-prophecies...
85•ianrahman•1h ago•69 comments

EU fines Temu €200M for allowing sale of illegal products

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1k2ydn1rz8o
273•jjp•7h ago•198 comments

Dynamic Workflows in Claude Code

https://claude.com/blog/introducing-dynamic-workflows-in-claude-code
122•mil22•4h ago•94 comments

Using Tailscale with an OrbStack VM on macOS

https://github.com/highpost/tailscale-macos-vm
42•highpost•2d ago•9 comments

Legislation Killed Would Have Effectively Blocked Police LPR, Including Flock

https://ipvm.com/reports/bipartisan-alpr-amendment-killed
68•jhonovich•4h ago•47 comments

Trivial Pursuits

https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v48/n10/david-runciman/trivial-pursuits
20•diodorus•4h ago•6 comments

YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

https://blog.youtube/news-and-events/improving-ai-labels-viewers-creators/
1253•nopg•1d ago•747 comments

Anthropic raises $65B in Series H funding at $965B post-money valuation

https://www.anthropic.com/news/series-h
181•meetpateltech•3h ago•157 comments

Bttf is a command line datetime Swiss army knife

https://github.com/BurntSushi/bttf
129•burntsushi•18h ago•86 comments

Show HN: Open-Source AI Racing Harness

https://www.elodin.systems/post/elodin-ai-grand-prix-race-sim-harness
62•danAtElodin•1d ago•7 comments