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Claude Desktop spins up a VM without no way of stopping it

https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/29045
160•tonyrice•2h ago•90 comments

I'm Eric Ries, author of "The Lean Startup" and new book "Incorruptible" – AMA

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Why SpaceX 2040 Revenue FCST $4.3T in highly unlikely

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115•meast•1h ago•91 comments

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278•levkk•5h ago•142 comments

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https://samwilkinson.io/posts/2026-06-09-anthropics-model-naming-extrapolated
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Meta steals a tactic from Tesla and builds data centers in tents

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148•momentmaker•7h ago•54 comments

A €0.01 bank transfer could compromise a banking AI agent

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119•tvissers•6h ago•97 comments

The Dynamo and the Computer: The Modern Productivity Paradox (1989) [pdf]

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179•meetpateltech•3h ago•38 comments

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Claude Fable 5

https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-fable-5-mythos-5
2531•Philpax•1d ago•2044 comments

The Last Evolution, by John W Campbell Jr. (1932)

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17•cf100clunk•3h ago•1 comments
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Claude Desktop spins up a VM without no way of stopping it

https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/29045
157•tonyrice•2h ago

Comments

JanSolo•1h ago
It's becoming self-aware! Quick, lock down the nuclear codes!
Rastonbury•1h ago
it took up 12gb on mine
tom1337•1h ago
I won't understand why Cowork isn't simply opt-in. It also installs a ~10GB vm bundle which you cannot remove

https://www.reddit.com/r/ClaudeAI/comments/1rlc71n/claude_de...

xxpor•1h ago
It was on my machine at least, I remember I had to do an additional install to activate that tab...
andix•1h ago
I've stopped using cc a while ago, because it always comes up with new surprises like that.
gopalv•1h ago
The weird thing is that this is probably a performance optimization for quick responses when a user asks a question.

My agent harness spins up a VM too, but it spins up on demand, cools down in 10 minutes and warms up when I focus back on the app.

The files it works on actually lives in a mount.

People take more time to type a prompt than the VM takes to spin up on a fast machine and on a slow machine, the cooldown naturally frees RAM back to the machine.

nathanyz•1h ago
The VM itself is for Claude Cowork which does all work within the VM sandbox. That doesn't help answer why they spin it up immediately and don't have a way to disable it though. Just the "why it exists" question.
sudohackthenews•1h ago
Probably because they vibecoded it
rvz•6m ago
Correct and they have no idea what they are doing.
nailer•1h ago
It kind of does though. If you want to use the product they'll need the sandbox ready.
jrochkind1•59m ago
If you're not going to give Claude access to anything on your machine, why are you using Desktop instead of web chat? (Real question, I don't use these much!)

If you are, obviously you need the VM.

plufz•46m ago
It mounts specified directories into the vm from what I remember
bostik•33m ago
amelius•1h ago
Why are the UIs of the AI companies all broken in multiple ways?
jaapz•1h ago
They are dogfooding their products like you wouldnt believe

They are releasing at breakneck pace, it's pretty funny how vibed their products feel sometimes

exe34•1h ago
Dogfood
Traubenfuchs•1h ago
No one left who could fix anything here by hand. Being able to handcraft compelling desktop apps and their plumbing is not a marketable skill anymore.

Mythos, Fable, please do the thing with the VM. Make no mistakes.

exitb•1h ago
Many people will say it’s because of the slop. I think it’s because they have no product vision. The roadmap is pretty much a random walk, which combined with the velocity of agentic coding is like digging a moat with atomic bombs.
OsrsNeedsf2P•1h ago
I find this analogy particularly humorous, as atomic bombs do not make for good excavators
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cortesoft•1h ago
Isn’t it good that it spins up without no way of stopping it? Why would it be a problem that we do have a way of stopping it?
tom_•1h ago
This question is answered by the post? There is reportedly actually no way of stopping it happen. Perhaps the poster had a brain fart while typing it. Maybe they speak a different dialect of English from you.
echelon_musk•48m ago
There's no dialect of English in which this is correct.
tom_•29m ago
That could be true, but I don't think I'd bet on it myself.
kenjackson•1h ago
I agree. Why is this a problem?
jeppebemad•1h ago
Op is nitpicking on the poorly written title. I came here to find that comment :)
KolmogorovComp•15m ago
All your RAM are belong to us
z2•1h ago
This all feels like a race where the model companies try to solve doing work locally in a way that doesn't suck, before the major operating systems companies figure out AI integration into their OS that doesn't suck. It also makes me wonder why Google which has both Gemini and Android can't figure this out, and if there are lessons to draw from that.
ls612•1h ago
The only lesson I'm taking away is that we are still very early in the AI era. AI workflows look entirely different today than they did 18 months ago and I wouldn't bet on them looking the same in 18 months from now.
ddarolfi•1h ago
They are releasing AluminumOS with their Googlebooks, which is a AI forward OS. If its good or not we have yet to see.
elxr•1h ago
It's looking like a slightly updated reskin of chromeOS with gemini features built in.

Definitely not a developer machine based on how they presented it in google IO. So if you write software, it's not looking like it'll be relevant whatsoever. I hope to be proven wrong.

reactordev•1h ago
If everything is in the cloud and you are just prompting agents to code for you, what exactly is “a developer machine”?
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HypnoticOcelot•1h ago
"without no way" of stopping it?
procone•1h ago
Incredibly insightful. Not everyone speaks English as a first language. On top of that, the title is not ambiguous.
nickburns•14m ago
You're right, it's not ambiguous. It's literally incorrect.
tkcranny•1h ago
I’ve stopped using Claude on the desktop, just because of how slow the app is to start up and interact with. It’s an absolute clunker; I’m mystified why they can’t ship something that works well given their rhetoric about ai.
dbalatero•1h ago
I thought they were all in on agentic coding? They are probably just building at a surface level with only an eye towards shipping, without considering the impact of all the changes. I've seen less and less coordination between engineers as well under that model. If that's the case (Claude Code is this way). it is sort of what you get, no matter the rhetoric about "make sure to review all your changes!" It's always trade offs.
jf•1h ago
I uninstalled it because I have no need for Claude Desktop and there’s no way to keep the 10+ GiB VM image off of my machine
sergiotapia•1h ago
Guaranteed nobody is reading the code being merged in. It's vibes all the way down.
sqquima•1h ago
Are you not entertained? Is this not why you are here?
seabrookmx•1h ago
I'm with you. I have the Claude web app pinned as a PWA for quick queries, and then use the CLI for everything project-based.

I did consider experimenting with the Routines feature on the desktop app, but I'm leaning towards whipping together something with cron. I saw another poster here who has a daily PR summary routine that I think would be handy, as I have quite a few repos where I'm a sporadic contributor but would like to keep tabs.

paulddraper•1h ago
Please edit the title.

Currently "Claude Desktop spins up a VM without no way of stopping it"

Should be "Claude Desktop spins up a VM with no way of stopping it"

inigyou•1h ago
There are some English dialects with negative concord, meaning that to form the negation of a sentence, you negate all negateable words in it
nickburns•14m ago
Yeah, no.
pier25•1h ago
So a company which has access to practically unlimited tokens and their best models makes crappy software. Huh who would've thought?

/s

literatepeople•1h ago
I didn’t get a screenshot of this, but I just found a really pointed example of Anthropics lack of craft / rush to build. If you open Claude on Windows, and click Dispatch (under cowork) to start that up, it will tell you that you need permissions windows doesn’t have. When you click the buttons for those permissions, it has broken links to macOS system preferences. I really encourage someone to try it and post the images as a reply as I am writing this from my phone.
bryanrasmussen•1h ago
I think the title should be changed. Either with no way of stopping it, or without any way of stopping it.
zkmon•56m ago
Back in the day, personalization / customization was all the rage, as it lets the user feel the control, power and freedom. Now it's the opposite. It's about not letting user to have any control at all. I can't delete some junk apps from my phone and mac, because they are "system" apps. As a non-geek, I can't deal with complexity of the browser and account settings to stop it from what is doing. We are at the mercy of the machines.
stuaxo•55m ago
Classic Anthropic, this comes across as LLM coded nonsense.
boudra•48m ago
i had to uninstall it due to the vm taking around 12G of disk, never touched Cowork. didn't realize they were also launching it
blurbleblurble•48m ago
They must not have used Fable 5 to vibecode that part of Claude Desktop, VMs are strictly forbidden high stakes cybersecurity work.
jacobgold•46m ago
I have two friends that are using coding agents on Windows, which was surprising to learn.

I would have assumed almost everyone would get a Mac/Linux computer to use coding agents because Unix is their "native" platform. It's Bash tool calls all the way down.

Does anyone know a source for reliable data on what coding agent apps devs are using? How many are using Code Claude CLI vs Claude Desktop, etc?

dboreham•30m ago
Are you sure they're not using WSL2 (which is Linux, not Windows)?
asveikau•29m ago
Wsl2.0 is literally a Linux vm built into windows. I imagine some people are using that.
mock-possum•24m ago
I mean I’m using coding agents on windows, because I’m not just going to learn a whole new operating system just to make robots write code for me.

I want tools that meet me where I’m at, not tools that demand I change up my entire UX to interact with them.

The assumption is not “what’s wrong with Windows that it doesn’t work with <technology>,” more “what’s wrong with <technology> that it doesn’t work with Windows”

Why wouldn’t you want your thing to be cross platform

myk9001•44m ago
How come Claude Code still hasn't triaged and fixed this? Feed it the bug link, someone.
valeriozen•41m ago
the vm makes sense for cowork but no off switch is weird. a visible sandbox on/off toggle would do more for trust than any safety blogpost imo
Grombobulous•39m ago
As long as the VM closes when the application closes, I don’t see too much of an issue with this design decision.

It seems like the VM is a core part of how you use the application.

behole•26m ago
13 GIGS! Between that and the absorbent space MACOS sucks up, it's challenging.
giancarlostoro•25m ago
and on my Mac any time I accidentally click Cowork which I don't use whatsoever, it re-makes the same VM, without asking me. It's one of the dumbest things ever. You're about to hijack nearly 20GB of my storage (which gets eaten up as it is) and you don't think to ask me if I even want the VM before you shove one into my system?
quacky_batak•22m ago
I also discovered this while noticing my Mac was low on storage, I only clicked on cowork once and after deleting it from the folder i’m scared to open the cowork tab coz ik it’ll just fill up the space
WalterBright•17m ago
> without no way

Not no way not now how!

At least in a corporate environment, Claude Desktop is a pretty decent compromise. Preconfigured internally deployed MCP servers and third-party connectors make many of the necessary integrations relatively easy to control.

I use Claude Code CLI myself (inside a VM, to isolate it from the host) for >90% of my needs. For the remaining fraction - email scours, cloud drive searches, other third-party connections - the desktop application is surprisingly decent. I don't even have more than half a dozen connectors enabled. In the VM I have separate, personally managed access tokens available for various third-party services. Wouldn't really try to maintain more than 5-6, otherwise it gets too confusing. [ß]

The desktop application mostly Just Works[tm] with SSO. At least when M365 doesn't suffer from their 4-times-a-day auth outage.

ß: A lot of APIs and authentication systems were designed in the stone age. You either need a 1:1 permissioned access token that can do horrendous damage, or you deal with ultra-granular, confusing and ill-designed scoping jungle where nothing makes sense. Atlassian, I'm looking at you especially. At least an MCP server, provisioned with a reasonably done service account, doesn't have all of your powers to get things wrong with.

jrochkind1•28m ago
i wonder if they are running the proxy for external network connections in the VM.
nathanyz•18m ago
I do use Claude Cowork and hence the VM is important, but I also leave the desktop app running all the time since I have many scheduled tasks at different times. The thing is that the VM could shutdown after being idle for some amount of time and then fire back up when you are ready to use it.
duped•31m ago
Anthropic has pretty consistently been shitty about how they roll out their software. Extreme lack of engineering rigor and thoughtfulness.

The answer is probably as simple as "no one thought not to do that."

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I know different people work on these things so I can't do more than guess about how engineering culture cuts across teams, but given the sheer amount of carelessness and sloppiness in Anthropic's software I have to imagine they're burning investor money in training and inference because the code to do it is as bad as the rest of their software.

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36m ago
Hey man, don't ruin my dreams.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Plowshare

TacticalCoder•1h ago
> Why are the UIs of the AI companies all broken in multiple ways?

Because they're vibe-coded ultra sloppy code. And it really shows.

sddsfsdfsd2•1h ago
They are moving at breakneck speed deploying on scales most of us can't even imagine. They are working in a space that's completely unexplored where getting information as quickly as possible is preferred above iterating on some feature until it's "done" while your competitor has released fifteen other features, all sucky, but one of which turns out to be a killer and makes a billion bucks overnight.
inigyou•1h ago
Whatever you say, account created 9 minutes ago with 1 comment posted 6 minutes ago praising AI companies.
sddsfsdfsd2•54m ago
Maintaining an "account".. for HN? My god, please. But be my guest, be dismissive and simplistic. Developer I presume?
scottyah•58m ago
They're some of the only new UIs to be made in the last decade. Almost everyone else stays in the browser (or something close like electron- claude code is actually mostly written in React, they couldn't get far from web dev). The problem is they need to interact with the local filesystem, and not many people have built apps for such a wide range of devices in a long time, and of that small talent pool I bet most are corpo coders- moving too slow and to focused on "the right way" to actually ship more than detailed Jira tickets. They also don't have time for stable releases because competition is so fierce.

But I almost always think of things from a talent-pool-first perspective. Perhaps there are actual technical issues like what Boris was referring to.

troyvit•55m ago
There are lots of good answers in this thread but I think it's because they are AI companies and not UI companies. When you look at tools like AnythingLLM, OpenCode, pi, etc. you see all kinds of different interfaces, and while they might make disagreeable choices at least they do it with intentionality and direction.
47m ago
I'm obviously not just prompting agents for everything. What are you on about?

Why would I build my little web-apps and backends in the cloud when I can run things faster locally?

dotancohen•41m ago

  > Why would I build my little web-apps and backends in the cloud when I can run things faster locally?
Because the company that designed and built your Chromebook made that the easy path.
wholinator2•24m ago
And one interesting aspect is the number of children getting these types of neutered machines as their first learning tool. I read another thread comment saying people that started with react actually feel that using straight html is more complicated. My professors say that the best textbook is the one you've read. The next generation is being indoctrinated into this way of thinking
esseph•30m ago
> Why would I build my little web-apps and backends in the cloud when I can run things faster locally?

Because in a lot of companies, your machine is actually just a portal to a remote desktop.

geodel•19m ago
as AI native developer I need VS code forks for AI to be pre-installed. Also every single command or work need to be vetted by AI by default. I am going hardcore now.
bigyabai•5m ago
ChromeOS is a perfectly usable developer OS. In many ways, Crostini makes it easier than developing on macOS.
caycep•8m ago
"What do you mean, an Aluminum Falcon?!"
lloeki•27m ago
> why Google which has both Gemini and Android can't figure this out,

Not the first time an incumbent has four aces in hand and appears to be entirely unable to make anything of it.

> and if there are lessons to draw from that

Lesson 1: doing shit is hard

Lesson 2: money rules so milking the cow wins over taking the slightest risk

inigyou•1h ago
They vibecoded it, and admitted as much. Once it was able to self-vibecode, that's all they did. That's why it's written in React and uses gigabytes of RAM as a chat client.
fasterik•52m ago
Not only did they decide to write a terminal application in React, but it's 500K lines of code. It's strange because I'm sure Claude is capable of writing a decent TUI in C. It says a lot about the engineering culture at Anthropic, at least on the software side.
jubilanti•49m ago
This is about the desktop app, not the claude code TUI
jubilanti•50m ago
You say that as if somehow the trend for cross platform desktop apps to be ridiculously bloated bundles of browser overlays is new?

What major cross platform app isn't based on Electron or Tauri? Slack, Discord, VS Code, Teams, Notion...

dvngnt_•43m ago
Though one would hope that they could leverage their advanced models to create native software per platform that can perform better.
scruple•40m ago
You'd think Artificial Intelligence could be used to find a better path forward, alas.
Thegn•14m ago
Let me know when we have actual AI and we can get right on it.
inigyou•33m ago
Claude Code is uniquely stupid in that it uses React to power a non-Electron terminal app.
SpaceManNabs•29m ago
It is surprising that the Claude web app lags pretty easily when using either chromium or firefox on ubuntu linux. Chats that delay my laptop work without issues on my ipad or iphone using the app.

The web app is definitely a bit of a problem. IF there is a native app on desktop or if claude cli is much faster, i haven't tried them.