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GLM 5.2 Is Out

https://digg.com/tech/ii9xibgn
102•aloknnikhil•2h ago

Comments

ls612•2h ago
Is it a coincidence that both MiniMax and Z.ai are releasing frontier open weights models right as the USG is trying to impose a cap on model capability offered to the public?
lubujackson•2h ago
I would say yes.

You think they were sitting on a release waiting for the right marketing moment?

enraged_camel•1h ago
I think it's a possibility, because labs trying to one-up each other is a fairly common phenomenon at this point. Previous Opus releases were immediately followed by GPT releases, for example. At some point the timing stops being a mere coincidence.
bel8•1h ago
Yes?

I have seen enough OpenAI and Anthropic carefuly timed marketing plays to expect it.

I would never announce GLM 5.2 in the same day as Fable or Apple's WWDC, for example.

thefounder•2h ago
No, Dario became too tiresome and annoying that someone had to do something. Personally I hope they ban Opus too. It will only provide more support for open models development. Compare Dario horror posts with this from GLM release: “ Intelligence should be open, accessible, and ready to build with, empowering every developer, everywhere.”
bontaq•1h ago
I think Z.ai rushed a bit for release, for example GLM 5.2 is only available under the coding plan right now and they didn't do a big write up. Not even some charts and graphs about its performance!

This is around when people were predicting a new GLM to come out, so a couple corners clipped in order to catch the moment. I'm using it right now and it seems decent, but I haven't done heavy work with it yet. The expanded context window is great.

wolttam•1h ago
This is typical for GLM releases.
halJordan•41m ago
No, not really. This has been telegraphed for a long time by everyone involved. HN denizens have been unashamedly anti-ai for years now, so what makes sense is the not knowing part of this audience. Chinese models are also not frontier models.
testfrequency•1h ago
Digg

edit: ouch, I’m a current Digg user. Even donated for their relaunch :(

radious•1h ago
The real news here is that Digg is still up :O
skybrian•1h ago
It seems to be basically a Twitter mirror with extra cruft?
theturtletalks•37m ago
More like a curator of all the AI news on Twitter. It’s also a great way to find trending AI projects on GitHub and elsewhere
1f60c•1h ago
It came back, died, and now it's back as some kind of weird AI-focused news aggregator.
binsquare•34m ago
this sentence hurts to read
stefan_•32m ago
But they have such great AI generated insights on their AI stories:

"Many users praise Zhipu for open-sourcing GLM-5.2 under MIT with a 1M context window as a major step for accessible AI, while others respond with insults and anti-Chinese hostility."

LearnYouALisp•25m ago
satvikpendem•1h ago
Released at the exact same time, 5:21 pm (Chinese time), as when Anthropic received the letter from the government banning Fable, and explicitly citing other models becoming unusable.
ortekk•51m ago
With deluge of Chinese models popping up recently, I believe there's a few issues one needs to evaluate before deciding to use these models:

- Ethics. As known, ou American frontier AI companies are incredibly ethical. And I have yet to see any interviews or blog posts by Chinese companies where they talk about how they are ethical, or at least credible HN comments about it.

- Safety. Do they covertly sabotage or at least refuse to answer questions that could help cyber- and bioterrorists in their nefarious purposes? What about ML-related questions that could help terrorists create AI models without guardrails?

- Child safety. This is especially important with "free for all" open-weight models, most of which are Chinese (ever think about why that's the case?). How are we going to do age verification and KYC with models that anyone can just download on their computer?

- Intellectual property theft. How can we be sure that no output of our American frontier AI models was used while training these Chinese models?

Frankly, there's a plethora of other issues I don't have time to get into right now. Personally, I believe distribution of Chinese models in the US should be paused until they are required to submit models to the government for review and evaluation, to make sure they are made to Anthropic/OpenAI standards.

We need legal grounds for that.

Write to your congressman, congresswoman or congressperson and urge them to stop proliferation of dangerous non-American intelligence. This is a matter of national security and needs to be acted upon as soon as possible, preferably before IPO.

tiahura•43m ago
Is this a parody of the Chinese-funded anti-datacenter astroturfing?
bbg2401•19m ago
That you and other readers can't outright identify the comment as parody is actually quite disturbing to me.
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Reubend•19m ago
Seems like there's no official blog post with benchmark results yet. But I'm once again thankful for the Chinese AI labs for being open with their work and contributing it to the world under permissive licenses like this. The Fable 5 fiasco is just another reminder of how valuable these things are to have.
throwaw12•15m ago
I wish they would write a blog post about capabilities of this new model, what to expect from this model, is it cheaper, is it faster or does it have better quality in the outputs.

But still, thank you for the release

I mean, it reads almost like an abstract of papers I've recently seen, with a similar info-cramming approach (somewhat like an editorial-SEO keyword bloat).
TiredOfLife•11m ago
It died and came back again last month
joshuat•9m ago
That's disappointing to hear, I remember the reboot news and thought they had a pretty solid team behind it. I guess gaining traction proved too difficult.
SilverElfin•6m ago
I actually found some of it useful. I saw some page where it helpfully pulled tweets from well known people relating to some story. So it’s not just some slop, or that’s how it looked to me.
tamimio•56m ago
That’s my thoughts exactly, had to click the home page to double check!
mannycalavera42•55m ago
digg goes along with slashdot and freshmeat memories. good 'ol mems
jaggederest•33m ago
... for nostalgia's sake ...

It is official; Netcraft now confirms: BSD is dying

43m ago
_incredibly ethical_
billyjobob•43m ago
This is great but sails far too close to Poe's Law that I predict downvotes.
somenameforme•27m ago
I missed it at first. Then reread it, and wow - this is grade A satire of the sort rarely delivered anymore, probably indeed because of exactly what you're saying.
LearnYouALisp•20m ago
Well, if so it needs a little "touch" I guess
freehorse•13m ago
It is not necessary for (good) satire to be easily/immediately recognised as such imo
freehorse•15m ago
Before the "preferably before IPO" I honestly couldn't tell.
Aldipower•42m ago
Yes, please ban all Chinese models in the US and stick to your US-centric stuff. Good for the rest of the world.
cyber_kinetist•42m ago
> our American frontier AI companies are incredibly ethical

Ah... sweet summer child.

> Intellectual property theft. How can we be sure that no output of our American frontier AI models was used while training these Chinese models?

The US AI models are already using pirated copyrighted material off the Internet. If Chinese models also do this, they're at least giving it back to the people by releasing their weights as open source.

Xiol•40m ago
So hard to tell what is satire and what isn't these days.
jauntywundrkind•32m ago
Fear Uncertainty and Doubt, the terrormongering, is worse than the terrors. Endless denial of society & possibility & progress: begone you demons.
yieldcrv•19m ago
Chinese models are the closest shining example of their ideological system working for the world than anything else they've ever done

From my perspective

hollerith•10m ago
Either that or releasing the models under permissive licenses is the only way they have get any attention in a market dominated by American companies.

(Also, they don't need to make a profit because their system does not prioritize profit potential when making investment decisions: it prioritizes alignment with directives out of Beijing, which in the past concentrated heavily on providing employment to young men and currently includes keeping up with the West in strategic technologies.)

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