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'Tell Him He's a Piece of Shit': Meta's New AI Unit Is a Total Mess

https://www.wired.com/story/mark-zuckerberg-meta-employee-meeting-interrupt-ai/
57•momentmaker•2h ago

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jqpabc123•1h ago
Sounds like the Metaverse is moving right along according to plan.
DropkickM16•1h ago
I wish these losers the worst. Working for zuck is its own reward.
hsuduebc2•1h ago
Indeed. Zero sympathy for someone helping creating this man his slop machine. It's kinda funny that their main problem is that they don't have enough work.

>“It's literally the gulag,” one of the employees claims. “You have zero purpose in life all of a sudden, you barely interact with anyone, you just have these tasks every week."

>Across the company, more than 1,600 employees have signed a petition demanding that Meta stop a recently launched initiative to monitor US employees’ clicks and keystrokes to generate AI training data.

>Some employees are being asked to finish two tasks per week. These involve generating complex software coding problems to help AI scientists better train and evaluate the performance of the latest frontier models.

That's how I imagine the Gulag too of course.

bombcar•1h ago
The Gulag AIpeono is such a letdown compared to the original.

At least they have the decency to not compare themselves to chattel slaves.

SilverElfin•41m ago
I assume that’s a reference to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gulag_Archipelago
kirubakaran•1h ago
Reminds me of when you hear that an asshole in your extended social circle is dating another asshole and you think "Fantastic! They're not hurting good people anymore"
shimman•1h ago
Seriously, these people have zero solidarity with their fellow humans. If they had any they wouldn't be working at one of the most evil companies on the planet.
altbdoor•1h ago
https://archive.is/NndS8
bravetraveler•1h ago
Birds of a feather flock together.

My management (not Meta) is choosing to bribe people to complete their 'mandated' training. I suppose I shouldn't be so torn up, could clearly be worse.

kajman•1h ago
It sounds like these people would otherwise be laid off if they were not parked in this department instead. I imagine they are quite unhappy, but getting paid 200k+ to do tasks that are usually gig work is hardly the most heart wrenching story in this tech market.
nik282000•1h ago
Plenty of entry level positions looking for the experience these 'engineers' claim to have.
loeg•1h ago
Eh, maybe. It's not clear that some won't be returned to their old roles eventually. Personally, I think I'd prefer the layoff with severance over this kind of transfer.
epgui•1h ago
I think everyone deserves to participate in meaningful and dignified work.
Dylan16807•1h ago
They can all get that if they want it! At a very nice but not as high wage.
inopinatus•1h ago
That is why I have no sympathy to spare for anyone who chose to work for Zuckerberg's social toilet.
coherentpony
fullshark•1h ago
So they "draft" their own workers to create toy examples to train/evaluate LLAMA performance? Is this a temporary role/rotation? That seems goofy.
shitter•1h ago
Temporary in the sense that it's a stop or two away from getting laid off.
fullshark•1h ago
Agreed that's the only way this makes any sense.
dylan604•1h ago
what is the expectation that they'd had such a shitty job and quit instead avoiding any potential legal potholes?
Avicebron•1h ago
Is the child they hired for 250 million dollars still there?
wmf•9m ago
Who do you think created the "gulag"?
JKCalhoun•1h ago
It feels like, when the history of Facebook is written, it will be clear that the company destroyed itself.
HotGarbage•1h ago
Stop glamorizing the grind and start glamorizing whatever this is.
add-sub-mul-div•1h ago
We just came out of a period in which solving CRUD apps and cat pictures at high scale chose winners of the whole economy. Now we're in a big mess with them thinking they're capable of doing much more difficult things.
JSR_FDED•1h ago
“I joined this fine company to help accelerate the destruction of society, and now instead I’m expected to help it destroy society in a _different way_ by creating puzzles for AI. Now my morale is low. Poor me. “
nik282000•1h ago
Sign me up, I will gladly give up my blue collar hell to torture an AI to failure.
iammrpayments•1h ago
This alone should keep anyone away from using React.
bluedevil2k•52m ago
React, the web framework that’s now 100% independent of Facebook/Meta. Not sure anyone should listen to this suggestion.
xnx•1h ago
> “It's literally the gulag,” one of the employees claims. “You have zero purpose in life all of a sudden, you barely interact with anyone, you just have these tasks every week."

May I be blessed with a life so comfortable that I would be able to complain in such a way.

SilverElfin•1h ago
Yea isn’t that basically all “normal” work? You do tasks and have little ownership or fun.

It’s also obviously not “literally” the gulag. Do these children know what a gulag is and what happens there? It’s quite offensive to equate their luxurious spoiled lives with people getting tortured and murdered over politics.

TheTaytay•1h ago
I was never sentenced to the Gulag, but based on what little I know, it's pretty different than one these people are experiencing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag
nemomarx•58m ago
You do usually get to interact with coworkers at some points if the day though? Are they isolating them during breaks or something weird here
shakna•27m ago
They're taking people who were skilled in product dev, employed to be product dev, and then assigning them data entry and telling them to suck it up or get leave.

They're not isolated... But they're no longer doing what they were trained to do, what they were employed to do, or what they can eek some satisfaction out of. Sure, they're talking with explosive terms - but they're also social media employees. That goes with the territory.

JSR_FDED•1h ago
They should rotate all employees between divisions.

When done creating AI puzzles they can enjoy a stint in the Content Review team.

brcmthrowaway•1h ago
TBT to one of the best comments about the Meta situation

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47881678

jcgrillo•1h ago
For real, though. Why in the fuck do you still work at Facebook? Just quit.
tjwebbnorfolk•57m ago
Same reason any of us work: money.
qwerpy•13m ago
If I had taken a Reddit/HN approved job instead of working at FAANGs for 20 years, I’d be looking at another 20 years of soul crushing work. Instead, I’m retired. Sure you have to roll your eyes at the corporate nonsense sometimes but I’m happy I made that trade-off.
hackable_sand•8m ago
Gas stations pay money

They could be truck drivers

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dabedee•58m ago
Soul-crushing work for a soul-crushing company. Hard to feel much sympathy.
hsuduebc2•50m ago
The "soul's crushing work" they are crying about is actually not enough of work or not enough interesting work. Not the sole volume. They sound like angry kids.
madhacker•56m ago
funny when they're being dog food their product suddenly it's not cool, woe is me. u reap what u sow facebookers!
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1h ago
If your comment is intended to convey sympathy on these workers, I think you're going to have a difficult time finding folks that align with you.

If your comment is intended to remind folks that these workers can simply resign of their own free will to find meaningful and dignified work at a different employer, I think you're going to have an easy time finding folks that align with you.

bluedevil2k•54m ago
Woah…they’re paid WAY more than $200k for this.
sumeno•14m ago
The emphatic literally has been in use for over 300 years, it's time to let it go
PakG1•1h ago
Relevant XKCD: https://xkcd.com/725/
meindnoch•57m ago
A day in the life of Ivan Slopisovich :'(
g023•56m ago
How come people these days treat jobs like its a social gathering?
Avicebron•54m ago
Free food? Free massages? Low effort work? High salary? High social status? For a while I knew someone who lived in oakland and refused to commute across the bridge to the office because they couldn't be bothered.
tamimio•49m ago
The same people who bully the ones that actually do the work for not being fit for “company culture”. I had a similar experience before where I over delivered every task, but that wasn’t enough because I refused to join pizza parties and other “team building” activities.
ElProlactin•30m ago
You can come back now. The pizza parties and other "team building" activities are gone. Until they realize they could record them as training content for the robot AI models.
andrew_lettuce•28m ago
I want to work with people I like and who's company I enjoy; it's not all about executing the task with maximum efficiency. I can replace you with a solid robot worker before I can find another awesome human.
hackable_sand•14m ago
Working with others only works if you work with others
hsuduebc2•55m ago
I was kinda surprised by that. I thought that people working there we're just conformists which have the FAANG money and are generally not bothered by company's actions.

People I read about in the article sounds like spoiled babies.

rdedev•15m ago
Due to "politics" my teams main responsibility went from developing ai agents to just testing out a chat it developed by another team.

When you spend 8 hours a day doing mind numbing tasks, tasks that won't help you land another job and is constantly under stress of being fired, its bad for your mental health

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