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Commodore Made a Digital Detox Phone That Isn't Dumb

https://www.wired.me/story/commodore-made-a-digital-detox-phone-that-isnt-dumb
59•Audiophilip•3d ago

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radicalbyte•1h ago
It has the same core spec as a $120 (delivered) Samsung phone and will cost between $500-$600 (delivered).

The C64U is an amazing achievement but it seems too early to go for the smart phone.

Hopefully there is a niche and their business plan is viable for a small number of sales.

dotcoma•1h ago
It’s as overpriced as the SpaceX IPO.
Leonard_of_Q•1h ago
That'd mean they sell for more than the advertised price given how the stock went up after launch.
dotcoma•1h ago
Well, somehow the laws of gravity don’t apply to SpaceX, nor to Tesla.
ranger_danger•1h ago
Overpriced relative to what? Phones that are produced at scale by the millions and so can have much lower prices due to economy of scale? That's going to be the case with anything produced in low volumes, but that doesn't mean they are overcharging for it.

Most tech products are sold at somewhere around 3-4x what it costs the company to make them.

dotcoma•56m ago
I have no idea how much it costs to produce this phone, but if you asked me how much it should cost, I'd say about 200 USD.
pocksuppet•37m ago
That's the hardware. How much do you have to add on to cover the designer and software people's salaries and the CEO's profit, if you're only going to be able to sell 5 phones?
DennisL123•1h ago
not so sure about this one.
ageedizzle•1h ago
This is a similar idea to the lightphone. I would be curious to see a more detailed comparison of the twos features.
recursivedoubts•1h ago
Regarding the price: the reality with all these alternative phones (e.g. the clicks communicator) is that you are going to have to pay a premium to make them worthwhile for the manufacturers. Scale (and the spyware economy) are what allow the larger companies to produce cheaper "better" phones, so comparing a phone like this with them on price isn't super productive. If you want something different than what the masses consume you are gonna have to pay for it.

The only ones that I've seen beat this dynamic to an extent are the unihertz phones.

aquariusDue•1h ago
Yeah, I'm actually excited about the Jolla phone supposed to launch in September. It's a bit on the expensive side but hopefully it will pave the way to a proper consumer friendly phone. Most of these phones comes with a gimmick too to make them more enticing but so far Sailfish OS is THE gimmick I'm actually excited about.
sourcegrift•50m ago
Wonder why pine can't do this? Not dissing on commodore. With hallucinated apps, the gap is going to be really small with play store
pocksuppet•38m ago
Hallucinated apps are a delusion, and Pine is just yet another random Chinese company remixing surplus hardware. They don't care what happens with the software, that's the plus and minus of it. They don't lock down the software, but nor do they actually provide any. You can run Android on Pine... if you port Android to Pine.

I hear that in China they have a lot of franken-PCs reusing recycled chips because they have all the PCB-level design and manufacturing expertise but they can't make chips. They'll take a GPU off its graphics card and solder it onto a laptop, or the reverse, stuff like that. And each design in low quantities based on what models of e-waste they can get. Pine is one of that kind of company although not nearly as extreme. A lot of their plastic cases are repurposed from other devices. The A64 chip is designed to go in set-top boxes. They don't do low-hundred quantities based on e-waste, obviously, they are set up for mass production but they're still using whatever parts they can get their hands on that are surplus to other companies' requirements. That's half the reason they discontinued so many products.

azretd•1h ago
Folks have a hard time reclaiming their attention from the never ending distractions of a smart phone. If commodore can make a device and ecosystem to make that happen, I’m sure folks will spend the money.

The reality though is, most folks don’t even think how much time they spend on phones, so I hope they can become profitable with devices sold in the thousands.

fc417fc802•59m ago
> Folks have a hard time reclaiming their attention from the never ending distractions of a smart phone.

It's actually surprisingly easy. Flash LineageOS and don't install any nonessential apps which includes no play services. At that point all you have is SMS and the browser. (If you find even just the browser too difficult to resist then configure parental controls I guess.)

Alternatively a less drastic action is to permanently set it to silent. You (and your contacts) get used to it after a few weeks.

mapontosevenths•10m ago
> Flash LineageOS and don't install any nonessential apps which includes no play services.

I did this with GrapheneOS and a simple launcher. That said, it's not something the average person will ever want to, or maybe even be capable to, do. They want to just pay someone money and get a product that respects them.

If this does that, then it will be well received by the people who care enough to spend money on it. I'll actually be buying one when it launches. My custom solution is "fine"... It's also a pain in my behind.

The entire point of a "dumb" phone like this is to reduce the amount of attention it requires from me. Managing some custom ROM and keeping it up to date actually requires MORE attention in some ways. I kind of hate it even after a year or two of constant tinkering to make it fit me "just right". I'd rather have something that respects me out of the box and spend a little time adapting to it.

chuckadams•1h ago
Speaking as someone who loved the hell out of the dysfunctional mess that was Commodore, and read every Compute's Gazette front to back as soon as it came out: FFS, just let them stay dead. I'm really sick of seeing my generation being strip-mined nonstop for nostalgia.
nubinetwork•1h ago
Commodore died in the 80-90s, this is the husk of a dead horse being beaten by some YouTuber.
bethekidyouwant•1h ago
I need car play, eg maps + YouTube music. And fb and texto + messenger + whatsapp. Price is irrelevant if i can get a “fully functional” phone without a browser. Oh i guess I could live without discord. But seems fine to have..
tcrenshaw•1h ago
I'm interested in the form factor and excited about the inclusion of a headphone jack but SailfishOS is the real selling point for me.

I'll buy this if there is a way to remove the app restrictions they have. Ideally, I should be able to flash the default SailfishOS

Retr0id•30m ago
Their FAQ says there's no way to disable the restrictions, but they also say you can sideload APKs.
msephton•1h ago
The phone may not be dumb (we'll see) but the idea for new Commodore to release one is. Sorry to be so blunt.
DigiEggz•51m ago
Keeping my eye on this. I really like the general form factor and aesthetic here. The candy-like wired audio and chiptune ringtones are a fun bonus.
pjmlp•45m ago
We had smart phones already before iOS and Android came to be, so the headline is a bit duh.
clickety_clack•40m ago
It looks awesome but I’d need to be able to swap an eSIM easily to switch back and forth from an iPhone.
pocksuppet•39m ago
eSIMs can't be swapped by design to increase lock-in. That's why I never buy a phone that requires an eSIM or use a carrier that only issues an eSIM.
Retr0id•34m ago
For some reason the diagram under the "Not Your Granny's Flip" heading has been AI-generated
dpcan•24m ago
I'd go this direction as long as it had a real keyboard... Maybe it's time for the blackberry to reemerge.
busymom0•20m ago
Am I able to use the Transit app? That's one thing I'd really like to have.
ediamondscience•8m ago
I'm all for something dumber than the average little black skinner box. The price doesn't really bother me as much as the side loading restrictions. If I'm going to pay $600 for a novelty phone I better be allowed to do whatever I want with it. Locking that behavior behind some fuzzy logic yes/no algorithm based on God only knows what LLM seems pretty tone deaf to what a lot of people have been saying about owning their own hardware over the last decade or so.
HarHarVeryFunny•47m ago
That unihertz "Jelly Star" with it's small size and rounded corners looks like a good prison phone choice, but still a bit of a "stretch".

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