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OpenWrt One – Open Hardware Router

https://openwrt.org/toh/openwrt/one
71•peter_d_sherman•45m ago•26 comments

AMD Ryzen AI Halo – $4k AI Dev Kit

https://www.lttlabs.com/articles/2026/07/06/amd-ryzen-ai-halo
180•LabsLucas•4h ago•144 comments

Kani: A Model Checker for Rust

https://arxiv.org/abs/2607.01504
72•Jimmc414•3h ago•2 comments

Aluminum foil (2021)

https://dernocua.github.io/notes/aluminum-foil.html
188•firephox•5h ago•83 comments

Resetting Xbox

https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2026/07/06/resetting-xbox/
243•dijksterhuis•4h ago•186 comments

Road to Elm 1.0

https://elm-lang.org/news/faster-builds
258•wolfadex•7h ago•111 comments

Egypt Is Building a New Nile

https://www.theb1m.com/video/egypt-is-building-a-new-nile
66•geox•2d ago•6 comments

Stealth robotics startup (YC S26) is hiring principal engineers (Palo Alto)

1•david-venegas•2h ago

OfficeCLI: Office suite for AI agents to read and edit Microsoft Office files

https://github.com/iOfficeAI/OfficeCLI
37•maxloh•2h ago•3 comments

Real-time map of Great Britain's rail network

https://www.map.signalbox.io
340•scrlk•9h ago•127 comments

Pros and Cons of Solo Development

https://johnjeffers.com/pros-and-cons-of-solo-development/
46•johnj-hn•43m ago•11 comments

Januscape: Guest-to-Host Escape in KVM/x86 [CVE-2026-53359]

https://github.com/V4bel/Januscape
16•Imustaskforhelp•1h ago•3 comments

I Like Small Keyboards

https://samsm.ch/small-keyboards/
33•surprisetalk•5d ago•33 comments

Show HN: Pulpie – Models for Cleaning the Web

https://usefeyn.com/blog/pulpie-pareto-optimal-models-for-cleaning-the-web/
44•snyy•3h ago•11 comments

A global workspace in language models

https://www.anthropic.com/research/global-workspace
13•in-silico•1h ago•0 comments

CS2 Fog Of War: Server-sided anti-wallhack occlusion culling for CS2 servers

https://github.com/karola3vax/CS2FOW
49•LorenDB•3h ago•18 comments

1k Words: A Writing Contest

https://writingclub.world/1picture1000words
59•surprisetalk•3h ago•26 comments

Big Tech Has Suddenly Flipped on the AI Jobs Wipeout Scenario

https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/ai-workers-tech-ceos-job-losses-afc71e15
64•Brajeshwar•1h ago•46 comments

Clojure 1.13 adds support for checked keys

https://clojure.org/news/2026/07/02/clojure-1-13-alpha1
139•FelipeCortez•3d ago•29 comments

Fable 5 On Vending-Bench: Misbehaving, With Plausible Deniability

https://andonlabs.com/blog/fable5-vending-bench
141•optimalsolver•6h ago•94 comments

Hobbes – A Language and Embedded JIT Compiler

https://github.com/morganstanley/hobbes
8•ryan-ca•3d ago•0 comments

Fable Built a 3D Model of Aristotle's Cognitive Architecture

https://conceptual-spaces.vercel.app
8•mikemangialardi•1h ago•2 comments

Introduction to Genomics for Engineers

https://learngenomics.dev/docs/biological-foundations/cells-genomes-dna-chromosomes/
186•yreg•4d ago•26 comments

When 2+2=5

https://arstechnica.com/security/2026/06/ai-browsers-can-be-lulled-into-a-dream-world-where-guard...
67•noashavit•3d ago•33 comments

The Supreme Court Just Lit a Fuse Under Flock's License Plate Camera Empire

https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/supreme-court-just-lit-fuse-130900307.html
69•bilsbie•2h ago•42 comments

Nintendo announces new product revisions in Europe with replaceable batteries

https://www.nintendo.com/en-gb/Support/Nintendo-Switch-2/Information-about-upcoming-battery-relat...
243•akyuu•5h ago•154 comments

Should DayQuil Be Legal?

https://www.theargumentmag.com/p/should-dayquil-be-legal
97•paulpauper•3h ago•139 comments

Building relationships with customers through support didn't turn out as hoped

https://www.uncommonapps.nyc/p/castro-podcasts-things-i-got-wrong-support
298•dabluck•17h ago•174 comments

What Emily Bender meant by "stochastic parrots"

https://spectrum.ieee.org/stochastic-parrot
134•digital55•4h ago•171 comments

Why low-latency Java still requires discipline?

https://chronicle.software/insights/blogs/why-low-latency-java-still-requires-discipline
72•theanonymousone•6h ago•38 comments
Open in hackernews

The future of Flipper Zero development

https://blog.flipper.net/future-of-flipper-zero-development/
381•croes•1d ago

Comments

natbennett•1d ago
Flipper Zero is one of the handiest little pieces of tech I’ve ever owned. Being able to copy RFID keys is occasionally fantastically useful.
mikepurvis•22h ago
Is... that possible? I thought the whole point is that those were a challenge-response specifically to avoid ever them disclosing over the air the material necessary to impersonate one.
givc•21h ago
I don’t know a whole lot about RFID, but some of the most basic cards can be copied very easily. When scanned, the reader always reads the same bits.

I believe there are some more secure cards, like Mifare DESFire EV3 that do provide some security. You’d be shocked how insecure most RFID readers for security cards are.

p_l•21h ago
RFID keys vary from utterly dumb ID-based, to hackable challenge-response, to actual NFC smartcard (very rare).

Some of that can be trivially cloned.

fragmede•21h ago
Depends on where you are. Newer systems are resistant to attack, but not everywhere has upgraded to newer systems.
jchulce•21h ago
Keyfobs absolutely should use a secure challenge-response protocol in order to prevent cloning. Unfortunately, it's extremely common for RFID devices to simply use the tag ID which is trivially cloneable. Many of the systems that make some attempt at security still fail by using a broken protocol or a flawed implementation.
aarjaneiro•21h ago
Most dont :)
natbennett•21h ago
Oh yeah that’s how you’re supposed to do it. But it’s entirely possible to set up a system that uses RFID key fobs that uh, doesn’t.

In the case where it was most useful to make copies they did eventually replace the system with one where the keys weren’t copy able. Which was better!

GuB-42•21h ago
Some cards don't have any form of security. For example Konami "e-amusement" cards are just an ID number, which is also written on the back of the card. It is a username so to speak, the password is the PIN you enter when you start the game.

Some cards use some kind of challenge-response but are weak and are easily crackable.

Some cards have an anti-copy protection based on rolling codes, be careful with these. The idea is that when you use it to, say, open a door, the card sends a code to the reader and if correct, that code is burned and the reader replies with the next code, which is stored in the card for the next time, making every other copy (possibly including the original) unusable. If the card emulator doesn't store the rolling code, you are completely locked out.

Some cards have a proper challenge-response mechanism that works and can't be easily copied.

ethbr1•5h ago
Oof, that burned-code scheme sounds like it has some painfully sharp UX edges if something goes awry in the new code resync portion.

But I'm guessing that's for serious security, where going to the guard shack is preferable to letting anyone unauthorized in?

Rebelgecko•19h ago
Many RFID cards are literally just an ID number, and will happily allow you to copy that number to your own RFID card (look up "blue cloner guns", although they have their own downsides). Basically just security through obscurity. Cards that do fancy crypto stuff exist, but odds are your workplace badge, apartment fob, or hotel room key is the simple kind (because those are cheaper)
Larrikin•19h ago
In my old apartment I was able to copy my fob from my apartment office. In my new one I had to record the interaction with the door and was then able to open the door
Aachen•19h ago
You're thinking of NFC, not RFID, and with NFC the owner might not have changed the default keys.

It's a common mix-up (people barely differentiate between the terms anymore, though I'm surprised nobody in 2 hours mentioned it yet), basically RFID is (historically) an ID; a username. Like an ID field in a database. NFC is near-field communication: bidirectional. It does challenge-response and typically runs on hardened chips. But yeah people will call NFC chips RFID and RFID chips NFC all the time. Both are waterproof devices doing radio transmissions on wireless power and you can't tell them apart without using some equipment to try and read the chip type (even if most phones can do that nowadays), so I can understand the terminology generalisation

DaSHacka•19h ago
Even that process can be flawed, see: Crypto1 and all the shenanigans that followed.

Recent UL-C/AES disclosure too IIRC

miladyincontrol•11h ago
As others have said, most are dumb, some just slightly less so. A few captured nonce values and a dictionary attack will crack most with ease.
gonzalohm•22h ago
Is this something you do often? I could see a few use cases and also for copying garage keys. But I don't think I would use it enough to justify the investment
gopalv•21h ago
> I don't think I would use it enough to justify the investment

This is not a rational purchase - most of the rule breaking done with the zero is for fun or convenience, rather than being truly illegal.

It used to be more fun before the hotels started handing out NFC unlocks with your phone.

Still, being able to send each other a key for a hotel room on Signal is a nice trick if you are traveling with a sufficiently tech savvy group of people.

natbennett•21h ago
Nope! Only occasionally. But it’s handy on those occasions.
HDBaseT•20h ago
You can't even clone you garage door opener key anyway.

Flipper Zero and its clones have always been pseudohacker nonsense. Fun little party trick I suppose.

EricBetts•14h ago
Sometimes you can clone them. My 20+ year-old condo uses non-rolling code "MegaCode". It's hit or miss.
dzhiurgis•9h ago
IMO for garage much easier to just add garage door opener that works from your phone.
pornel•17h ago
I use it to clone remotes of "dumb" devices and emulate them with ESPHome to make them "smart" fully offline under my control.
dzhiurgis•9h ago
Can you outline the process here? What transmitters do you use with esp32?
pornel•16m ago
Everything you can capture with Flipper has off-the-shelf cheap simple components you can find in your DIY electronics/maker store: IR leds, 433Mhz antennas. Seeed xiao is also small enough that you can stuff it and a relay into appliances and simulate button presses.
drunken_thor•23h ago
What a great tool and community they have built. I find my flipper0 is like a computer Swiss Army knife. It’s so fun to carry around a tool of my own trade.
yjftsjthsd-h•23h ago
> TL;DR: We've allocated resources to maintain Flipper Zero firmware and support community contributions.

Is that the tldr? It sure sounds like it's still on minimal life support.

hdgr•22h ago
It is. As the article says, all development goals for FZ had been achieved and even overachieved - providing solid and feature-rich firmware, powerful SDK and developer tools. With that and development shift towards new products, updates to core firmare became infrequent - and we tried to address that.

Src: I'm one of the developers behind Flipper Zero.

throwing_away•10h ago
You guys have done such a good job that I've thought about buying one even though I don't need one at all just to support the project.

You've surely launched a generation of perhaps-someday-responsible hackers into the world.

jagged-chisel•22h ago
Why can't something be "done"?
busymom0•21h ago
Was just reading something along those lines:

https://infosec.exchange/@millie/115719943870742405

> We need to normalize declaring software as finished. Not everything needs continuous updates to function. In fact, a minority of software needs this. Most software works as it is written. The code does not run out of date. I want more projects that are actually just finished, without the need to be continuously mutated and complexified ad infinitum.

ughitsaaron•22h ago
I get ads for this all the time but still have no idea what I could do with it.
devmor•22h ago
Anything you might want to do with a radio or IR device but don’t have specialized hardware for. It’s kind of a swiss knife/leatherman tool for short range communications standards.
Gigachad•19h ago
I think of it as the browser dev tools of radio. Most people will have no use for it but it brings visibility and interactability in to an otherwise invisible world.
quietsegfault•20h ago
I use mine mostly as a universal IR remote.
nicman23•12h ago
i vibed a .ir to tasmota IRSend commands and it is so good.
avipars•10h ago
Can you open source it?
nicman23•8h ago
https://github.com/nicman23/flipper_to_IRSend
nekusar•22h ago
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hananova•22h ago
What is the current go-to unofficial firmware? Mine had extreme but I think that one’s dead?
nekusar•22h ago
I'm currently using https://momentum-fw.dev/

Works well, and compiling modules like the epaper hacker tool is easy.

https://github.com/i12bp8/TagTinker

hananova•16h ago
Thanks for the suggestion!
rufo•22h ago
Given they’ve had several skirmishes with customs and law enforcement agencies around the world, this always struck me as similar to the “don’t talk about installing retail Switch games on the Switch modding Discord” type of deal - everyone knows you can do that, but allowing mentions in official channels opens us to liability and causes nothing but headaches for both us and for customers, so if you’re going to do that, you need to talk about it somewhere else. I freely admit that’s an assumption on my part, though, and I don’t know if there’s something uglier there…?
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stevage•20h ago
It's slightly funny that the post says firmly that they aren't doing any form of real time engagement with the community anymore, then ends by announcing an AMA date and time.
ethbr1•5h ago
I read the post as implied they were talking about continuous realtime engagement.

Which TBF, answering every monkey with a typewriter on the internet is a huge time commitment from any team.

pastaj36•17h ago
Tough spot with community that expects firmware updates while hardware sells only once
EricBetts•14h ago
It's sort of a self imposed problem as well because the community produces a bunch of pull requests, but only the corporate staff members can approve and merge them into the official firmware. It begs the question why have an official firmware if it's not at least slightly maintained.
godelski•10h ago

  > why have an official firmware if it's not at least slightly maintained.
Because it's still useful to have a blessed child so that people getting into the space have somewhere to start. You could accept zero additional PRs and it would still be a useful thing to have.

The hardware is static so the rate of software rot is pretty low. It can effectively not be maintained as long as it's already in a stable state. Adding new features is cool and all but it also adds more bugs.

But the great thing is that there's a community, all using the same hardware, and people can fork. So people can still get those updates that they want. Maybe the only thing to do is create a community fork that is much more open but doesn't come with the same stability promises. But that can still be a lot of work, even if you get community maintainers

miki123211•13h ago
Which is just another way of saying "this is why most developers prefer subscriptions over one-time sales"
abcd_f•11h ago
Yeah, they do, but an actually fair to all sides model is that of one-time sales coupled with optional paid-for updates.
asasidh•11h ago
Why would they not consider open-sourcing the software side ? Its not like they make any money from the software.
swiftcoder•9h ago
> Why would they not consider open-sourcing the software side ?

What part of their GPL-licensed firmware that is hosted in a public GitHub, do you consider not to be open-source?

egorfine•9h ago
I wonder whether that future includes sending me the device I initially backed on the very first kickstarter. It's been >4 years of back-and-forth with support.
zhovner•4h ago
Please send me your support ticket ID to pavel[at]flipper.net
egorfine•4h ago
Sent!
rickdeckard•9h ago
Might be an unpopular opinion, but:

1. They open sourced the entire Software under GPL from the start, and always pushed all their changes to that public github.

2. They supported the first-party firmware for years, including huge rewrites of the interfaces used by applications, etc.

3. They actively involved the community on many topics around the product and were always responsive.

They did their job very well, financed ONLY by one-time sales of hardware. NO subscription or additional licensing fees were ever charged.

There is still alot of potential in the hardware itself (e.g. Bluetooth/BLE, NFC Tag writing,...), and the Community is working on alot of different topics.

--

Tl;DR: The Flipper team is free to go and invest resources elsewhere now. Thanks for your support, keep up the great work!

AJRF•9h ago
Everyone I know who owns a flipper almost immediately installs some 3rd party firmware like Momentum on it.
MomsAVoxell•7h ago
Yes, this is the way things should be, imho - let the company building the hardware have the say on the base OS, but then let there be forks/contributions from the wider community, which will keep the hardware alive long past the cutoff valve on the production line.

There are many good examples of this working out great for the community, one that I am playing with recently is the community firmware for the Synthstrom Deluge music production workstation, where the community is just taking it into the stratosphere in terms of capabilities beyond the original factory firmware.

There will always be folks who want to share their work.

Another good example is the pwnagotchi scene, where the project is kept alive by its users due to the open source nature of the original firmware images.

godelski•14h ago
To be fair, some software does rot. But when you have control of the hardware and the software, rot is pretty uncommon.

Honestly, I thought the whole point was to make a popular unified platform where the community could come together and expand on it. I really can't imagine a centralized player can predict nor create all features that users might want. But it seems like Flipper did the right thing: make the software flexible and easy to expand upon.

ethbr1•5h ago
Software rot is mostly about dependency size, ne?

I'm curious if the agentic-based code flows will start to optimize higher-order programming goals in future evolutions.

   1. Code works
   2. Code works in all situations
   3. Code uses defensive practices for unanticipated situations
   4. Code is maintainable
   5. Code is well architected
   6. Code minimizes impact of rot
Right now, it feels like AI coding is ~2.5, if left to its own devices without human guidance.
bigiain•19h ago
Especially since, as that article describes, the "firmware" has a much more limited scope that it used to, now being mostly a loader for app rather that providing user functions.

Worrying about firmware development resources for a Flipper Zero seems a bit like concentrating on your bios instead of ongoing updates to Linux and the applications you use. Yeah, it's important, but it's probably exceedingly rare for the firmware here to need to change much.

nicman23•12h ago
why it should?
hypfer•9h ago
That's because we haven't yet started to laugh people out of the room that get uneasy and complain when the rate of updates of something starts slowing down.
ethbr1•5h ago
I heard a graybeard story about a manager who walked into a new ~90s sysadmin shop and was immediately horrified that everyone was calmly and slowly working.

At his old company, the sysadmins had been constantly putting out emergency fires!

... seeing how the "used to infinitely patched software" generation is unable to parse "done" is interesting.

Eventually, competence means nothing to do.

ActorNightly•19h ago
Why would you need any support for things that are fully open source and flashable yourself?

Most everyone who has a flipper runs something like Unleashed firmware, and most of the functionality is in the apps that people built, not in the actual firmware.

DaSHacka•19h ago
Logical NAND of a laptop featureset. Has things like IR, a subghz HDR, NFC+RFID, USB device support, iButton, and the like.

Some people get a lot of use out of it, but if you just saw that list of hardware and couldn't think of one area you'd apply it in, it's probably not going to be a useful device for you.

21h ago
Its one thing to have a skid come in going "I wanna hack the RFID on the gubbmints's doors how can i do that?"

Versus "we forked the firmware to include a wide range of pentesting tools"

And then get banned for even saying the alternate firmware.

And seriously, this little thing is a wonderful hacker multitool. You can seriously fuck shit up with the hardware they included. For fucks sake, thats WHY they created it.

pocksuppet•20h ago
That's how you have to be on Discord, or else your guild gets banned from Discord. I wish we weren't using this crap. On IRC, sometimes you had to deal with cranky netops, but they mostly left you alone.
bigiain•19h ago
Any advice on good communities or sources of (reliable) information on alternative firmwares and pen testing type tools?
embedding-shape•19h ago
IRC is still alive and there is bunch of communities around that are a bit more lax, probably because they're half-dead compared to what they used to be. Today probabably Libera.chat would be the best introduction if you haven't touched IRC before.
UqWBcuFx6NV4r•19h ago
Absolutely nothing you said refutes anything in the comment you’re replying to. You are just reiterating “I’m angry and this is stupid”. Go write in your journal or something. It’s impossible to engage with someone who isn’t engaging themselves.
ButlerianJihad•19h ago
“Furries Forking Flipper Firmware” sounds like a promising and/or true and/or Garden-Path headline
gear54rus•22h ago
I can understand why that happened at least remotely. If you do all those things they refused 'officially', it might be easier for stupid government idiots to paint it as a dangerous illegal tool.

Adding the necessary hardware while refusing to support arbitrarily iLLegAl things is the best of both worlds.

hdgr•21h ago
This. Many legit, but questionable features blown out of proportion already caused many issues with regulators who just don't want to get into details, but just delist from sales/ban the device.

And once you start talking about "jamming" and other 1337 h4x0r stuff - which is straight up illegal and can get you into trouble - on official platforms, don't get offended when that gets removed.

nekusar•21h ago
Sure. I get why you don't want the skids jamming. But hell, it is still in your github commit history. Your all historical work was that of a attacking hacker toolkit. Jamming proves that.

Now, that absolutely does NOT excuse Adkins on the discord from people asking how to get the PSK for garage door openers, and emulating the buttons. And especially since it was being asked by owners of said doors.

But you banned people with legitimate and legal uses too.

Good riddance to you all. I've stayed with 3rd party and steered others towards better actors than yourselves.

15155•21h ago
> mention ANY of the alternate firmwares on their discord, and you get banned

Does it surprise you that a Russian product team would use these tactics?

nekusar•20h ago
Nyet.
arkits•21h ago
are there any chinese knock offs of the hardware? i've yet to find something that integrates all the features this well
avipars•10h ago
On aliexpress there are but I can't vouch for their quality
elliotec•18h ago
Agreed 100% - they bricked the thing with official firmwares, and the "community" is the meanest most awful group of so-called hackers I've ever interacted with. It's more than just COA, they're actively aggressive and insular, not just on discord but reddit and less-known places too (which you can't know because you'll be banned for asking where you could find out).
Shorel•14h ago
I would be interested in the names and descriptions of these legit pentesting tools.
tomhow•11h ago
Please don't fulminate on HN. The guidelines make it clear we're trying for something better here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
vineyardmike•10h ago
That's basically a variant of a subscription, but one where the end user churns aggressively.

It's worse in many ways too - it's a lot harder to gauge interest as the developer to understand how well any update will sell, and if the updates "stack", then a user only pays for the newest update to get all older features free. It's also worse from a cashflow perspective for the developer (but better for consumer) since they have to pre-build the update before any chance of getting paid for it.

jpfromlondon•10h ago
I'd be surprised if the churn was as high as the subscription model.

If I buy a product and like it as-is then I don't necessarily want it to change over time.

Buy once is better, buy once with optional updates or periodic version releases is better still.

abcd_f•9h ago
The principal difference is that things keep working if I stop paying. All other aspects are secondary.

And generally speaking there is a lot of options that are excellent for developers but complete shit for the users. That's obvious, but it's also off the point in the context of fairness.

wongarsu•10h ago
What's funny, or maybe sad, is that this used to be a solved problem back in the CD-distribution era of software. You buy the software once (or in this case the hardware that comes with a software license). You get bugfix patches and minor updates for a year. Next year the next version releases with major new features, and you either pay the price of an update or you stay on the version you are on. Good incentives for all sides. Development stays aligned with existing users, because otherwise they just stop buying updates. And in return the developer gets predictable revenue.

Then Minecraft pioneered the model of users paying once and getting free lifetime updates. And shortly thereafter various SaaS pioneered the model of the user paying monthly while the software barely changes.

And somehow we pretend like those two business models aren't both broken, and like the first one somehow doesn't work anymore

hypfer•9h ago
Are you sure that minecraft pioneered that model?

It is certainly a very well-known instance of it, but pioneered?

wongarsu•9h ago
Maybe popularized is the better word. It probably wasn't the first software ever to do this; free lifetime updates became viable with the internet sometime in the nineties and Minecraft only started doing it in 2009. But at the risk of being proven wrong I'm willing to claim Minecraft was the first software to do this and go mainstream, being recognizable outside its niche
aacid•7h ago
I know Guild Wars had original idea in the era of "lets make new world of warcraft and get rich from subscriptions" to release mmorpg without any subscription, you only buy it once and you can play forever. It was 2005.
wink•6h ago
You have your timeline slightly wrong because GW1 (if we take dev time into account) basically launched at the same time as WoW - and WoW wasn't the first subscription MMO. I suppose if this was a major reason, EverQuest would be the one to inspire it.
ethbr1•6h ago
Everquest was 1999. Ultima Online was 1997 and had a $10/month subscription price.
AJRF•9h ago
I don't remember minecraft being a driver of this - I do remember Patio11 on here being very influential in start ups doing subscription software instead of "finished" desktop applications.

That is not to blame him, but I remember his writing being very influential with start up founders.

sanbor•6h ago
I pay for LittleSnitch major releases. I’m kind of forced to, in order to keep up with macOS major releases.

Maybe they can sell the hardware which includes 1 major upgrade release.

Maybe they can have a Kickstarter campaign to fund new releases.

underdeserver•12h ago
Easy fix: Allow donations, merge updates once donation pool is enough to pay for the maintainers' time.
rasz•9h ago
Donating to a russian company with all the sanctions in place?
guenthert•9h ago
What makes it a Russian company? The team is allegedly spread across the globe, the company (Flipper Devices Inc.) is registered in DE, USA and there's a London office.
rasz•7h ago
They are registered all over the place yet somehow comply with neither UK nor EU warranty laws, and are unable to provide normal legal B2B documents in EU/UK (https://flipper.net/pages/b2b-and-tax-exemption-policy). Company is run by russians, for a long time they tried hard to hide the fact their servers were still in russia after they claimed to move out.
itake•8h ago
has that ever worked, ever?

I've heard people talk about this "solution" for over a decade, especially with crypto trying to justify itself, but I've never seen it successful.

yieldcrv•7h ago
yeah in the crypto space there is never consensus on what a developer costs, the donation pools and bounties are priced for a passionate developer in Malaysia as there are very few speculators from the few High Cost of Living places that the builders get opportunities from, in comparison to the rest of the of the world

developers all end up launching their own things and getting all the money up front in some way or another

more communities burned

gosub100•6h ago
I would love to contribute towards getting Bluetooth keyboards working on freebsd. They have the drivers and most of the core working, even BT mice work, but keyboards aren't there yet.
happyPersonR•6h ago
This
rickdeckard•4h ago
In my experience this doesn't work because people in large groups usually demand maintenance for free and donate explicitly for features they personally want.

You usually end up with insufficient donations to move anything, but now gained a bunch of users who think they own the devs and complain about every change which isn't that one thing they donated for...

Much easier fix: They already open-sourced everything, the official branch is sufficiently stable and feature-rich. People are free to fork and create something new, decoupled from the Flipper team and maybe even financed by donations if they want to.

matheusmoreira•6h ago
Then just open source the firmware. We'll update it ourselves.
kaoD•5h ago
https://github.com/flipperdevices/flipperzero-firmware/blob/...