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Leak of San Francisco Police Drone Footage Exposes Reality of Urban Surveillance

https://www.wired.com/story/sfpd-drone-video-leak-surveillance/
52•nozzlegear•1h ago

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technewssss•1h ago
Sad to see. Here in Europe it's definitely not any better. Despite the GDPR’s safeguards, tech surveillance is set to become one of the defining civil liberties battlegrounds in across the World. Even with the EU AI act, the people of europe are significantly at risk.
easytiger•42m ago
Wait until you find out what the EU want/have asked the GAM trio of big tech corps to do to your phone and private messaging platforms. (Coincidentally they suddenly don't think so big an anti competition problem exists anymore).
inigyou•32m ago
Are you referring to Chat Control 2.0 which has repeatedly failed to pass the Parliament and is illegal to implement today?
fortran77•54m ago
It's nice to see SFPD taking car break-ins seriously.
malfist•50m ago
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety"
Neil44•19m ago
Is it essential liberty to be able to run around doing crime without being surveiled?
ceejayoz•17m ago
Sweet, you've invented pre-crime.
infecto•4m ago
What liberty does a drone with a camera break? Seems like a nice optimization on police resources.
Simulacra•52m ago
I remember reading this excellent article on Bloomberg about a guy who started a company that uses Cessna's with high-quality cameras, and they fly over an area for hours, and then use that footage to rollback crimes.

They filmed everything. There's a video if you can find it where the man shows footage they took of a city in Mexico, where a murder occurred, and how they were able to roll back time and see the murder go down in real time.

It was really fascinating… In 2016.

At the time I imagined one day we would have blimps, or long range aircraft circling all major cities 24/7 doing the same thing.

Instead of planes, they are using drones…

https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-baltimore-secret-sur...

pineapplepizza6•48m ago
An unmanned plane is also called a drone.
bell-cot•27m ago
Drones are cheap & reliable. Vs. blimps, balloons, and such have repeatedly proven themselves quite fragile.
iamtheworstdev•3m ago
domestically we use the RQ-4 and MQ-4 and lie about it
cebert•40m ago
With mass drone surveillance and online safety acts, we will finally be able to keep our children truly safe for the small cost of privacy.
_davide_•23m ago
To balance it, the police need to be extremely accountable, but so far they get away with murder pretty easily...so...
chrismcb•18m ago
And a couple of ES-209s as well
vatsachak•13m ago
Now that's what we call bait
dannyw•39m ago
> The innocuous appearance of many of the videos raises questions about whether the surveillance was necessary. In one “auto boost/strip”-related call, the drone follows two young men in their car, at least one of whom is described in police records as having been identified as a “suspicious person in a vehicle.” Then the two men emerge onto a basketball court and start playing, and the drone departs.

https://archive.is/dychh

lazide•4m ago
I mean, they evaluated and left?

What should they have done, creeped on them as they played?

bobthebob•33m ago
Helicopters already exist, and so do consumer drones - so why is this an issue?
inigyou•30m ago
Scale. The possibility of surveillance was far less worrying when three police officers had to tail you, because they'd only expend that effort when they were pretty sure you'd done a crime.
maerF0x0•13m ago
So we'd rather a high speed chase, crashes, danger to cyclists and pedestrians? I'd rather a drone follows the car until it stops and the police arrive to retrieve it and give a hand slap to the offender.

I know this is lagging, and American culture will take decades to accept it, but the better our police are the lighter the sentences can be. Part of why a big hard sentence was seen as a deterrent was sort of the EROI ... If the chances of catching are small, you need a big deterrent. If the chances of catching are near 100% you only need a smaller deterrent (and apply it close to the behavior to maximize the brain training of "Do bad, bad things happen")

inigyou•8m ago
Constraints can be good when they constrain both sides. E2EE chat protocols are good even though they effectively prohibit large groups, because they also prohibit intermediaries from reading your chats.
bobthebob•8m ago
I mean, helicopters are a limited and expensive resource.

And here it looks like they use it on criminals on the run - not something they use to practically monitor each person like some surveillance system, or court ordered wiretap

At least, that’s what I’ve gathered

kotaKat•33m ago
And the amazing thing is that DJI was the ones lambasted for their shitty security practices.

But here we are, with Skydio users openly using public sharing links to their drone feeds 24x7x365 apparently.

Sounds like another vendor needs to get added to the Covered List, methinks, but the lobbyists won't let that one fly.

inigyou•31m ago
Or rather, lobbyists will let it fly as long as it's got a camera.
creaturemachine•26m ago
The only thing insecure was the market position of the domestic competition.
iamnothere•28m ago
Useful tool mentioned in the article, hadn’t seen this before: https://github.com/lc/gau
ThatMedicIsASpy•24m ago
Am I missing something? I can click the 'article' but its a big picture and a single paragraph. That reads like a picture description.
hutattedonmyarm•16m ago
They paywalled the article, that’s why you can only see the first paragraph
maerF0x0•16m ago
>Exposes reality of urban surveillance

Sounds like they're saying we should be appalled by this usage of drones... IDK, until we have some proof of an truly innocent (found by a court) or no reason to be suspected person (eg profiled, misidentified) having a bad outcome (such as arrest and long detention) without recourse (sue the crap out of the city, dept, or state) ...

This article basically reads as "Drones help police apprehend a man involved with auto theft" ...

The only "news" here (no shocker) is that the PD is somewhat ignorant on how to handle these new technologies securely. They need to go out on the open market and hire some of the best and brightest security folks displaced by Mythos (that's a joke), and secure their stuff with the basics.

pluralmonad•13m ago
There will always be those who make excuses for the panopticon. Is yours that reducing auto theft is worth the tradeoffs?
maerF0x0•5m ago
AFAIK there is no right to privacy in public, no?

What I don't care so much about the data collection as I do about how it's used.

Its not that the NSA surveils that bugs me. It's that they use kangaroo courts, "asdfasdfasdf" as the search reason field, that they cyber stalk girlfriends, or view camera devices to see people in state of undress (illegally and unethically).

In this case we have an example of police using the devices, for a very legitimate usecase, more or less in an excellent manner (save for not properly securing the footage).

normalaccess•10m ago
Classic example of the Nothing to hide argument.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing_to_hide_argument

aftbit•8m ago
Great, just what I need - another reason to never leave my house.
infecto•5m ago
I don’t think I have a problem with drones. There is a line to be drawn regarding auditing access of footage and how we are analyzing it historically (prevent from misusing the tech) but for things like active reporting it has the potential to be pretty helpful. Cops used to be a lot more visible (or maybe greater in number) and this type of tech has the potential to help get that back.

I am no fan of police and am a big proponent of requiring police to carry malpractice insurance. I still think having cameras and footage while a call is going on is good for everyone.

buellerbueller•4m ago
All camera footage should be publicly available.
Gigachad•2m ago
I really don’t agree. Especially in this day where anyone, or any business could run it all through AI and profile everyone to work out the exact best moment to send you a push notification for a Big Mac or whatever.
ceejayoz•18m ago
Helicopters are expensive and thus rare.

Consumer drones can't summon a SWAT team.

bobthebob•5m ago
Still don’t know how this affects me. The use here seems to be for criminals on the run
aqme28•5m ago
I believe in a "reasonable expectation of privacy" standard. A drone could hover outside my window watching me, but I don't think that would make people feel comfortable.
bobthebob•3m ago
In a wiretap scenario, yes that would be uncomforting and worrisome.

But these drones are used to chase active criminals. Unless you committed a crime and ran back to your apartment, I think you’d be fine

maerF0x0•8m ago
nah, that's not at all what I'm saying. What I'm saying is IMO until the police have something to hide (besides their crappy securing of the usage) It's not really a news piece.

If we had a story of a Police officer using the drone to follow his dominos order, or his ex-girlfriend -- thatd be a story about abuse of power and quite newsworthy.

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