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Government orders GitHub to remove Bluetooth-based chat app Bitchat: Jack Dorsey

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/government-orders-github-to-remove-bluetooth-based-chat-app-bitchat-over-security-concerns-jack-dorsey/article71262049.ece
84•rootkea•1h ago

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ithadhumor•58m ago
Democracy Dies in Darkness
mondainx•44m ago
Also in broad daylight
DenisM•55m ago
For clarity: Indian government.
OgsyedIE•53m ago
Bluetooth based messaging apps are naturally able to circumvent internet restrictions that inhibit protests, citizen journalism and other kinds of unapproved activities but there are several ways Bluetooth could be updated as a protocol to introduce compatibility with some kind of antibody-esque suppression of communication standard.

It's just a matter of interested parties setting up a body to create the standard, which might genuinely be a huge bottleneck under the current geopolitical landscape.

tehlike•47m ago
Meshtastic, reticulum, meshcore... We need more.
jdoss•42m ago
I was thinking the same thing. We do need more. I set up a Meshtastic node at the house and joined https://chicagolandmesh.org/ which has been a fantastic community for beginners in mesh based comms.
delichon•48m ago
Still available.

https://github.com/permissionlesstech/bitchat

iamshs•44m ago
India.
dhx•35m ago
To add:

The request has not yet been published by GitHub to https://github.com/github/gov-takedowns/tree/master/India/20...

Also not mentioned in the project's GitHub repository yet per https://github.com/search?q=repo%3Apermissionlesstech%2Fbitc...

miohtama•42m ago
If Modi government wants to ban something, it is usually good stuff.

> “The application’s design, which enables communication even during network restrictions, creates a substantial risk of misuse by anti-national elements, terrorist organisations, organised criminal groups, and cybercriminals seeking to evade lawful detection and continue communication despite legally imposed restrictions,” the notice mentioned.

soulofmischief•13m ago
Literally any encrypted mesh net communication protocol would be subject to the same propaganda. The point of this stuff is providing checks and balances for the people against a rogue government, or emergency situation.

Yeah, did you know criminals can use roads to commit crimes, too? We should destroy all of the roads. Terrorists also use food to give them energy to commit more terrorism, so we should start regulating access to food behind mandatory ID checks.

jmclnx•42m ago
With google banning side loaded apps, is what India wants to do just a waste of time by India.

Does Apple still allow side loaded apps ?

paxys•41m ago
Thank you Indian government for announcing the existence of this app to the public.
iamnothere•38m ago
Too bad it operates on Nostr, which is crypto-adjacent, otherwise they could move to Codeberg.
iamshs•37m ago
India is now going after domains too: https://www.reuters.com/world/worlds-biggest-domain-seller-f...

To imagine that US MNCs readily obey these orders. There was a time when Gmail exited China due to Aurora attacks, and Chinese GFW is universally hated, so why is India allowed to create a GFW like censorship on US platforms? Indian courts have even blocked Reuters articles GLOBALLY before. https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/01/19/india-judg...

thebrid•36m ago
What an excellent idea. This will surely make the protesters go away.</s>
iambenm•32m ago
India is pretty serious about being able to monitor all communications after the terror attacks in Mumbai in 2008. The terrorists used satellite phones to coordinate the attack. As a result, they banned most satellite communication devices.

I learned about this earlier this year because I had a connecting flight through India on the way to go trekking in the Himalayas. I had planned to take a Garmin inReach with me, but luckily a day or two before my flight out I came across horror stories of people getting pulled out of security and taken to JAIL in India for having these things in their checked bags when TRANSITING India. Security there when transiting from Switzerland to Nepal was no joke - every single electronic item including anything with wires had to come out of bags including electric toothbrush.

In light of that, banning point to point communication seems on brand for India. Note that Apple gets a pass for its satellite capable phones by geofencing India and disabling the feature.

ranger_danger•29m ago
So what happens if you have a flight that gets diverted to India and they search your bags and find a satellite phone?
iamnothere•28m ago
Believe it or not, straight to jail.
vsviridov•10m ago
We have the best doctors in the world. Because of jail.
izacus•28m ago
The poster you're answering to just described what happens.
pbiggar•31m ago
We evaluated Bitchat and determined it would be a really useful tool for Gaza - Israel controls all internet access to Palestine and would frequently cut off internet access to Gazans. We tried building our own but when Bitchat came out we focused on that instead.

https://updates.techforpalestine.org/bitchat-for-gaza-messag...

SpyCoder77•31m ago
Title should specify that it is Indian government. I was worried for a second there that it was the American government. I should have read the url though.
chevalier_1222•27m ago
But how far are they from such a headline do you think?
lionkor•22m ago
Will there be a headline?
petcat•22m ago
Something like this would be basically impossible in the US, and it wouldn't even matter what kind of administration tried it. The US government doesn't even order ISPs to block websites. They just have the FBI seize a domain after a court order.

Honestly I would think something like this would come from the EU or UK. UK is trying to ban VPNs, EU is trying to ban private chat completely. EU countries routinely block whole swaths of IPs and websites, etc.

lava_pidgeon•7m ago
Oh boy , this is American exceptionalism at its finest. The US has by far the most authoritarian government of all mentioned entities. Really you should protest against your government.
i_idiot•30m ago
In long term, it seems democracies transform to autocracies. Well, china is the future indeed.
lebuffon•30m ago
India is kind of cute.

In the late 90s I attended a Telephone industry conference while working for a telephony test equipment company. A rep. from the Indian government gave a talk on their telephone system regulations. During the question period I got up and asked how India was dealing with voice over internet protocol (VOIP). With a straight face the speaker replied "We will not allow it". :-)

toast0•20m ago
Lots of countries ban voip in some way or another. Not allowed to connect to the PSTN. Disrupted by licensed ISPs based on traffic inspection. Large vendors yelled at. Etc.
caruasdo•20m ago
On the contrary, these projects should be given a boost.
smalltorch•4m ago
Agree, sounds like it is working for its intended purposes.

The thing about it is they specifically are targeting the repo which is interesting because the only thing that can really stop the proliferation of these apps is not allowing user to install from other sources which would have to come from Google preventing this.

Hopefully google won't prevent people from installing from outside sources /s

This change is largely drivin by claims that installing apps from other sources is insecure... I'd argue this is why it's insecure... Not insecure for individuals. Insecure for oppressive governments.

tyleo•14m ago
Wow I didn’t know about this technology but it sounds like seriously cool stuff
abhisek•11m ago
#2 post on HN currently is: India’s first privately developed rocket reaches orbit on dramatic debut launch. In the same page, there is this news about banning an OSS app, built on open tech. Just saying.
patrickmay•11m ago
I sincerely hope that Microsoft responds with "If the Indian government wants to block content hosted on U.S. servers, they are more than welcome to set up their own Great Firewall."
Barbing•1m ago
Not for diversions necessarily. Diversion versus expected connection should at least help one’s lawyers… hopefully.
neonstatic•21m ago
> I had a connecting flight through India

I make additional effort to never experience that again. Connecting flight through Mumbai. An absolutely awful experience.

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