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Apple says more ex-employees may have taken confidential data to OpenAI

https://techcrunch.com/2026/08/04/apple-says-more-ex-employees-may-have-taken-confidential-data-to-openai/
73•thewebguyd•1h ago

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yoyoma1234•50m ago
Yes
ofjcihen•45m ago
OpenAIs response:

https://openai.com/index/apple-is-getting-this-wrong/

Personally, this reads a bit ridiculous in the face of what Apple is claiming but time will tell.

ncr100•29m ago
This should be shown in court, first, to avoid predictable blowback around making a weak-appeal.

I feel like OpenAI is attempting to obscure the public sentiment trend. And that are willing to taint a jury pool by releasing evidence.

I assume then, that OpenAI is "feeling" or has determined it is perceived negatively by the public, in general. They may be seeking to influence their talent pipeline, to reduce inbound constraint they predict are coming from a lack of perceived trustworthiness of OpenAI.

Seems inappropriate for OpenAI to post this public-appeal, to me.

bpodgursky•24m ago
Tech company drama is followed by .1% of the population. The jury pool is not going to be tainted. This has no impact on the public and nobody expects it to.
ofjcihen•22m ago
Tech company drama *not on the front page.

This has been front page material for multiple non-tech media outlets.

Though I don’t know how much I would believe that this is them trying to taint a jury pool.

ofjcihen•24m ago
It’s the insinuation of racism regarding the “mixing up Asian last names” bit that’s really got me feeling like their response is the public appeal move.
freejazz•17m ago
> This should be shown in court

"Weak security" isn't a defense to theft, so probably wont.

>Seems inappropriate for OpenAI to post this public-appeal, to me.

They are desperate and are behaving desperately. Who actually qualifies anything they say anymore anyway? I certainly don't

brcmthrowaway•8m ago
Wow. This makes Apple seem like amateur hour. The case should be dismissed with prejudice.
SiempreViernes•44m ago
> And, [OpenAI] said that Apple didn’t admit to the claim that the “residual access” allowing former employees to access Apple’s system was the result of poor security procedures on Apple’s part.

Sam "I hack others by mistake" Altman dunking on the security practice of others is funny, is there any glass house he won't go to?

bigyabai•39m ago
In fairness, that's an incredibly glaring MDM problem that was always going to blow up like a landmine if Apple didn't address it. I'd expect the macOS MDM policy to cover this if Apple was actually concerned about IP leakage.
giancarlostoro•38m ago
That is both a yikes (towards Apple) and very unethical (towards OpenAI and the engineers who did this). Why do people do these things? Do you have no shame that you might have a harder time landing future jobs if you're perceived as someone who might sell out your future employer on a whim and steal proprietary information?
alwa•33m ago
Future jobs? I thought AGI was the future of work!

And plus, their duty is to a higher cause! All humanity needs them to win, so that the superintelligence is “aligned” to their superior values… like “all’s fair in love and war”! (/s)

…rumblings of “divine mandate” in there somewhere…

giancarlostoro•27m ago
I thought AGI was supposed to come soon? Wasn't Sam Altman saying that it would come last year? I would love to see genuinely demonstrations of these labs different AGI attempts because I am a skeptic on AGI, I'm fine with LLMs.
datakan•44m ago
Really don't like all the drama around this. Should be dealt with in court, not tried in the press.

Both sides should learn to remain silent and work the case through legal channels.

6gvONxR4sf7o•39m ago
Seems to be Altman's playbook, just like how he got the CEO job back.
sampton•33m ago
I recall the same playbook when Cruise acquisition drama broke out. Altman's strategy is to win public opinion first and use it to shape the rulings. He understands rules are made and enforced by people.
eagerpace•38m ago
This, and the books, and the government contracts, and the distillation… It’s like that one friend who complains how drama always finds them and they are clueless why.
georgemcbay•36m ago
> Both sides should learn to remain silent and work the case through legal channels.

This isn't a "both sides" situation.

OpenAI is posting drama blog posts. Apple isn't doing that.

"Apple says" in the headline here actually means: Apple filed for a preliminary injunction with the court and since that is a public record we are reporting the contents of it.

sublinear•35m ago
giancarlostoro•42m ago
I have never gone from one job to another where the new job was in the same exact industry I was in prior, but I'm glad I never have to be thrown into such a scenario where I'm accused of taking confidential data, I can only imagine for some employers that makes you a red flag, very dangerous territory to be in.
CBLT•36m ago
The only time I did that, the company I was leaving begged me to take one of their corp laptops with me so I could offer "consulting" to them on the side. I never called them on their plausible deniability, I just said I felt that would be a conflict of interest and they shut up real fast.
devsda•18m ago
Can you elaborate on the plausible deniability part.

Was your past employer trying to make best of the situation by hoping to fish for information about your next employer's projects via the consulting gig?

CBLT•9m ago
I said "never called them on their plausible deniability" to mean I never pulled off the veil of the conversation, so there's nothing to talk about in front of a judge.

FWIW both the company I was leaving and the company I was joining were startups selling dynamic seat pricing systems to airlines. Your call if that's a conflict of interest :).

bigyabai•31m ago
> I [...] imagine for some employers that makes you a red flag

Maybe. It also advertises a moral flexibility that is high in-demand here in America. Clearly OpenAI has no scruples entertaining a turncoat of this scale, I can believe that businesses will be lined up out the door to hire these people.

josefritzishere•37m ago
AI seems to always be stealing from someone
christkv•12m ago
I might be dense but from what I read I have no idea why any of the stolen documents have any value to OpenAI in the context of their business. Knowing Apples maybe future products etc seems pointless.
halfmatthalfcat•32m ago
They probably were presented with huge comp packages which made bending ethics incredibly easy.
giancarlostoro•26m ago
Unless its enough money to retire, I just don't understand people doing it for money.
teaearlgraycold•17m ago
There are comp packages in the millions for people (often a large part can be in a lump sum bonus as well).
charlieyu1•14m ago
People break the law for pennies all the time
danesparza•31m ago
"Why do people do these things"

Money, ideology, coercion, and ego.

nvme0n1p1•30m ago
The outcome shouldn't depend whether they had "poor" security anyway. If I leave my front door locked, it might increase the chances I get robbed, but it doesn't make robbing me legal.
ipaddr•12m ago
It makes breaking and entering legal because no breaking to enter happens. It allows people to move in and squatting is now in play so they could lock you out and call police if you try to enter.
bakies•7m ago
No it doesnt, that's still breaking and entering
LaffertyDev•5m ago
This is not how it works. Even a cursory glance at the law makes it clear that this is not how it works.

Here is New York: https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/PEN/140.20

It's OpenAI still trying to maintain control of the narrative while they burn to the ground. For years they haven't really delivered while bullying anyone who doesn't have an "AI strategy".

The media is happy to stoke the flames.

freejazz•22m ago
>Both sides should learn to remain silent and work the case through legal channels.

Why? Apple surely doesn't want to and why should they?

thewebguyd•9m ago
Huh? Apple is literally working through legal channels, the article is pulled from the court filings which are public record. OpenAI is the one making blog posts.
VCFundedGenYer•21m ago
Why are you both-sidesing this?

Apple is doing it right, simple high level statements.

OpenAI is acting like a teenager posting screenshots of literal texts and being overall petulant.

This is open and shut. The mature company will win this.

madeofpalk•12m ago
I mean, they are dealing with it in the courts, right? This is the press picking up on public court filings https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/73602437/49/apple-inc-v...
znpy•20m ago
I really think this is apple feeling really threatened rather than confidential data really being stolen.

Apple is known for threatening companies that hire from them, and occasionally having secret agreements with other companies not to hire from each other.

People move from a company to a direct competitor all the time (i have a number of friends that went from working at aws to working on gcloud for example) and guess what, no one of those companies really went bankrupt due to this.

So really long story short: i think apple is being a sore loser at the employee retention game.

thewebguyd•12m ago
Yeah Apple does have a history of doing these things. There was Palm, where Jobs told them if they didn't stop recruiting Apple employees he would destroy Palm with patent lawsuits. Jobs was also one of the main architects behind the no poach cartel in SV between Google, Adobe, and Intel, and Apple.

More recently there was Nuvia, which the lawsuit was dropped, and Rivos, which was settled.

blltprfmnk•10m ago
I don’t know where you’re drawing your conclusions from but they literally have messages from the OpenAI exec laughing at how he can still access data at Apple and talking about copying it, as well as messages encouraging candidates from Apple to bring unreleased prototype hardware to demonstrate during interviews.

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