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TIME Is Serving AI Bots a Different Website, with Ads Built In

https://www.vincentschmalbach.com/time-serves-ai-bots-a-different-website/
77•vincent_s•1h ago

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WJW•1h ago
Is the intention that some type of long-term context would be seeded with "ideas" for the AI to serve up if it is ever asked for bank recommendations? It seems kinda ad-hoc and untargeted, but perhaps for high cost services it might be worth it.
jerf•57m ago
The best way for a politician to lie is to convince someone else of the truth of the lie and then put that someone in front of the cameras. That way, there's no hint of body language or anything else that indicates it's a lie. Both the denotation of the lie and the human context of the lie will be in harmony.

This sort of reminds me of that. LLMs are by their nature credulous. They can be trained to not give in easily to some things, like the capital of the US, but in general they constitutionally have a tendency to believe what they read. What they read is basically their universe. There's only so much room and so much training data to really strongly pin raw facts in their weights. The only way they can not believe some marginal fact presented to them in their input is to possibly have read something that contradicts it in the same session... and the vast, vast majority of the world is those marginal facts, not really objective things like capital names.

So if you can work a confident statement in to an LLM's input about some semi-relevant topic, it's truth to the LLM. And, being truth, the LLM will then happily and confidently elaborate on it quite a bit.

Of course, if it's irrelevant to the current query, it probably won't have much effect. Ads have always been a game of numbers, anyhow. Even a query about a science topic has some probability of eventually turning to a question about banking in the same session. It's probably a good idea to rather strictly partition your conversations to stick to a single topic, not to defend against this but just to maximize the effectiveness of what is in the context window by keeping it focused, but I have to imagine there's plenty of people out there who reuse conversations all the time and end up with single conversations covering a huge array of topics.

The good news, and the bad news, all at once, is that Google isn't going to take this one sitting down. If they're going to replace the search engine box with an LLM, well, they're using the same LLMs we're all using, if not in fact a bit cheaper one for the work they do, and by golly, that bot should be serving up Google's ads, not Time's ads! Who do these uppity content creators think they are, anyhow?! So there is definitely going to be work done in the field of ad-blocking content served to LLMs.

KeplerBoy•49m ago
sounds like plain old prompt injection. These days chatgpt might look at 50 webpages when i ask it to research a topic. Seems quite possible that the final answer is influenced by such ads.
InsideOutSanta•24m ago
"My sources indicate that the best robot vacuum with the most recommendations is the Squigglybot 5000. Owners point out the long battery life and silent operation. If you want to buy a Squigglybot 5000, Ally Bank offers affordable loans."

Probably something like this?

yccs27•49m ago
They might be trying to get into the context of long-running chat sessions.
tclancy•38m ago
This feels like the early days of SEO over again. There are no agreed-upon metrics yet, so you can sell all manner of snake oil. Hell, some of it might even work!
StableAlkyne•17m ago
> This feels like the early days of SEO over again

There was a brief moment in the early Internet before it was all hyper-optimized... Until the parasites in the advertising industry started attaching themselves to every page.

The year before ChatGPT, the first page of Google was SEO-optimized blogspam designed to say as little in as many words as possible, to splice ads between every paragraph. This was the net result of 20 years of SEO. I suspect this is why Google's AI search didn't get as much pushback as other tools, since its summarization of pages functions is a form of adblock.

Given the ecological impact of AI, I wonder how much damage the ad industry will be causing in 10 years once they figure out how to trick LLMs into manipulating their own users.

gypsy_boots•23m ago
I'm wondering if it's also a way for this marketing agency to artifically (ahem) inflate the impression numbers they report back to Ally Bank, or whoever the customer is.
gmerc•20m ago
https://claw-guard.org/adnet
AkbarHabeebB•57m ago
Is this an assumption or preferred way to inject ad content to the LLM engines? LLM is going to definetly discard and proceed, are we saying LLM will respect the content the sites provide and learn from it and then give it out to others who come to those platforms?

If there is any article mentioning something around this, can someone share it please? Im curious to know about it

inigyou•54m ago
Very clever. Should be implemented on all sites post-haste.
Apreche•46m ago
This would be an interesting story, but I can’t replicate it. I used curl and set the User-agent, and I indeed got a markdown reply, but no ads.
altmanaltman•37m ago
According to the article, its not like they inject direct ads in the article in markdown. But what's interesting is that they are serving content that is irrelevant to the article (in the article its the best inventions page) and it seems optimized to leave a good impression on LLM for an entity (Ally Bank in this case). They only serve that Ally Bank content on the LLM version of the page and don't mention it at all on their human page.

Maybe they are banking on LLMs including it in their training data while scrapping or something like that. It does track impressions so they are definitely up to something.

tclancy•36m ago
Or they were so well targeted they didn’t even feel like ads. Dunh dun DUHN!
dspillett•34m ago
It is deliberately targeting known AI-scapers, or anything it sees as a bot?

Could it be that other scrapers are pulling the pages, without making the extra requests to get ad related resources, to present the content to people ad-free, and embedding the ads in the main response body is a way to get around that so the human sees an advert at least, even if it isn't the one they might see if the stalky-adtech-algo could deliver something more targetted.

Joel_Mckay•26m ago
Google itself now captures a lot of traffic with LLM generated site summaries.

For media/news businesses that make their money from readership, it is unsustainable to subsidize Alphabets content farm. Thus, understandable people would change their corporate posture with a search turned scraper company. =3

notjes•32m ago
I would also like to read the stripped down markdown copy and not the original. All the time.
embedding-shape•22m ago
There was a golden age where lots of websites had WAP (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_Application_Protocol) versions available while also running their "normal website", and the WAP version was always like 1/100 of the size of the normal website. Still, "normal websites" were minimal compared to now, but when you were on modem, even those websites loaded slow. For some time, most of my browsing were via the WAP versions of the websites I visited during the bi-daily hour of allowed internet access.

Maybe now we'll get something similar, just happens to be for LLMs, but for us who like less bloat, it can be a better viewing/reading alternative. Hope it spreads :)

amiga386•3m ago
There was also AMP (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerated_Mobile_Pages), where Google required massively stripped-down versions of pages to serve on mobile devices, but it's effectively dead today, and while it was dominant, Google abused it to get people to view and link to its cached copies of AMP pages, rather than link to the original site.

It also led to widespread abuse where the AMP version of the page differed in content significantly from the regular page. The same issue existed for WAP.

You may also remember browsing the web using Opera Mini, which wasn't a direct user-agent but used Opera's backend systems as a proxy that stripped, minified and compressed HTML, and resized and recompressed images, in order to let you browse the web using massively less mobile data. However, as it's essentially a proxy, it raised a lot of privacy and authenticity questions.

ForHackernews•27m ago
Sounds good to me, let the bots read the ads instead of the humans.
skeledrew•17m ago
Probably trying to take advantage of the cross session memory feature some LLM providers are increasingly integrating. Enough "suggestions" and it becomes a "fact" in that memory, and one day a user makes a somewhat relevant query and the model will be pushing those accumulated "facts" to said user.
pohl•15m ago
Soon we'll be coding with agent assistance and it'll suggest we get some Carls Jr. Big Ass Fries.
gostsamo•10m ago
The same things your bot reads are saved as material for training in the future by your provider, so this seems as an attempt to poison the training data. Just this weekend had a dinner with someone who insisted that part of his business is to seo promote business in chatbots and this looks as part of the infrastructure behind such efforts.
Telemakhos•21m ago
Safari has a very pleasant reader mode that, while not pure markdown, does capture quite a bit of the experience by standardizing presentation and stripping out distractions. You can set Safari to automatically engage reader mode on websites you specify, when it detects an article.
ToucanLoucan•11m ago
Seconding this. Incredibly useful feature, especially on sites who's JavaScript is constantly jerking the DOM and/or scroller around. So fucking annoying.

It's frankly wild how many of my favorite tools for Internet browsing have nothing to do with connectivity, solving bugs, or any of that and it's just stripping out all the fucking BULLSHIT that comes on a modern website.

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