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The web server deployment model breaks at hobby scale

https://w.on-t.work/web-deployment-model
22•meetpateltech•47m ago

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ComputerPerson•39m ago
I host a webserver for a living, so I might be too far removed from the problem; I don't see anything that 1 minute of effort as part of a less-than-10-minute session with an agentic AI tool can't solve safely. A decent README and project structure is all Codex/CC/Pi needs. I mean this even for the least-technical person who would be self-hosting something.

I guess that breaks the plug-and-play nature, but you can't expect something internet-facing to be plug-and-play. (Maybe that's the real travesty here.)

scotty79•35m ago
How many of these problems PHP solves out of the box or makes irrelevant?
tommek4077•26m ago
All. People forget hiw performant the LAMP stack is.
vehemenz•8m ago
It feels like there could be an entire longform piece on how "modern" web development norms arose because hobbyist/student web developers learned everything in an ad-hoc, local environment without access to, you know, a development server or a mature software stack.
sam_lowry_•30m ago
This is only tangentially related, but I have a love-hate relationship with Immich. Love for everything, but loads of hate for the bug-o-feature that disallows sharing of albums if the website is not hosted over HTTPS.

I can fiddle with the page content in Developer Tools to make it work, but frankly, WTF, especially since Immich expects people to set up a reverse proxy for HTTPS access on their own and does not help them in any way (like providing a pre-configured caddy in their compose.yaml, I don't know)

AussieWog93•10m ago
Honestly, this is a problem that has been solved by LLMs. Just point Claude Code to the server over SSH and say "We need Immich to be served over HTTPS".

You could theoretically upstream the fixed compose.yaml if you felt like it, but the project seemed unusually hostile towards the one fix I tried to upstream.

bradly•29m ago
I'm not sure I understand this post. Is this talking about self hosting Caddy in a home lab setting or just static web hosting on a VPS?
sam_lowry_•27m ago
I think the author missed the root cause, which is the demise of (unencrypted) HTTP/1.1 connections.
Dotnaught•27m ago
Perhaps the article's title should be, "The web has become a hostile, largely automated environment and naive hobbyists may find it difficult to coexist with professional scrapers, scammers, grifters, bots, hucksters, and cybercriminals."
skydhash•19m ago
All of those requirements seem weird. I selfhost a few software and the user count is one. My extent at sysadmin is to write a systemd service, configure the proxy (if it’s on a vps and I use subdomains), and maybe use ansible for scripting the provisioning and deploy.

It’s fine to publish recommendations how to tune configurations for specific usages. But I only need the app, not the various things that you may think I need. And I really want the app to only solve its essential problem. It should not take care of the IT part other than providing configuration samples.

jermaustin1•6m ago
And I do `docker compose up` now with a caddy server in front of docker, so I can just add a new site (sub domain or directory) that reverse proxies to that docker container's port. And the beauty is, that I have a skill for it for claude code, so I actually don't have to do any of that for my local self-hosted stuff.

I just call /publish-local-docker subdomain.mydomain.local

And if there isn't a docker compose, it will create one, and then run it, and update caddy server on its own.

hn5xz7plcj•6m ago
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