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RAG Is Simpler Than You Think

https://www.lighthousenewsletter.com/p/rag-is-simpler-than-you-think
32•j0selit0•1h ago

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7734128•34m ago
There have been many blogs like this over the last years.

Yes, embeddings are computationally heavy, but they are not at all complicated and they provide a lot of benefit.

90% of "document" based RAG projects should view semantic search with embeddings as their primary method.

It's very powerful and so easy to implement that you could try it out and discover whether performance would be an issue rather than trying to anticipate it.

petesergeant•16m ago
Embeddings are reasonably simple, but it’s a journey to get there, and I am very proud of the dog-heavy explainer I wrote on them: https://sgnt.ai/p/embeddings-explainer/
dizhn•10m ago
This is very good. Thanks.
nilirl•28m ago
Maybe I'm old but where exactly are the "dragons"?

How is RAG any different from the search systems we've been building before LLMs? Is it the sudden need for everyone to design a search API and engine that's driven this trend?

If so, I'd like to see more design patterns around existing search problems:

- Correcting or backtracking based on feedback.

- Measuring relevance.

- Comparison with task-based pre-written queries. Does every LLM task need a full blown search engine? Why not a tightly scoped domain API for data retrieval?

TudorAndrei•24m ago
It's just information retrieval packaged as something new.
kachnuv_ocasek•15m ago
And you can't fundraise on some old "information retrieval".
brabel•13m ago
The whole embedding thing which converts “tokens” to vectors, which you then store in a vector database so that you can later query by vector distance, seems to be LLM specific technology, no? As far as I know the vectors look a lot like the weights in a LLM itself which is why the vector search also works with some level of intelligence.
Angostura•22m ago
I have a particular antipathy for articles too lazy to spell out acronyms on first use.

So: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retrieval-augmented_generation

_joel•9m ago
For those times you need to Red Amber Green your BM25
apavlinovic•21m ago
The article sounds like AI slop with some predictable tells like short punctual sentences, bizarre jargon, and titles like "Recipe 4: On-The-Fly Embedding (The Fresh Data Play)"

Can we not reward junk like this? Most of the sentences are incomprehensible and provide zero actual argumentation, it's just a list of "whats" with no "whys"

khalic•14m ago
> Why this is more flexible than embeddings

Oh boy...

refactor_master•8m ago
Here’s an even simpler take: just embed everything the first time, then track what was changed. Use a cheap model to summarize and clean up the documents/chats with summary and keywords. Unless you have entire libraries of books to embed it’s going to be a few hundred dollars of API calls.

Then, throw it all in BigQuery. Handles all the vector stuff natively.

Sprinkle an agentic bot UI thing on top to make it appear all-knowing and magical.

I assume other vendors than Google have a similar batteries-included approach you can just plug in.

bob1029•7m ago
Agentic query rewrite on top of good old fashioned Lucene is the end game. This is effectively providing a lot of the same magic you get with the semantic approach. Allowing the agent to query the document store iteratively is where the capabilities become unbounded.

Embeddings and semantic search add non determinism on top of non determinism. This seems fundamentally cursed. Lexical is much easier to control, iterate and debug. The tools are incredibly mature. Your users will probably prefer it as well.

jankovicsandras•5m ago
If someone has a Postgres db and want very simple RAG:

https://github.com/jankovicsandras/plpgsql_bm25 BM25 search implemented in PL/pgSQL ( Unlicense / Public domain )

The repo includes also plpgsql_bm25rrf.sql : PL/pgSQL function for hybrid search ( plpgsql_bm25 + pgvector ) with Reciprocal Rank Fusion; and Jupyter notebook examples.

simianwords•5m ago
OT but its interesting that none of the harnesses today use embeddings but just simple grep. I would not have predicted this

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