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What we want is a hunter gatherer lifestyle with space age tools

https://www.strangeloopcanon.com/p/what-we-want-is-a-hunter-gatherer
42•bilsbie•1h ago

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jagged-chisel•1h ago
What’s that first sentence? I can’t find the breaks.
phrotoma•1h ago
Sure sign of llm free writing, baffling sentence construction.
WJW•32m ago
Them damn gen alphas having no sense of punctuation! Back in my day, which was when Millenialism was at its heyday, we used to put commas everywhere we, well, damn, pleased!
pmlnr•16m ago
So did Edgar Allan Poe. As a non-native speaker, it's, to say the least, a challenging read.
watwut•16m ago
I dunno, claude generates pure linguistic puzzles in javadoc.
rappatic•12m ago
Funnily enough, the underlying signal is what’s nonsensical; the individual sentences are always well structured
ndnichols•49m ago
Took me a few reads too. I think the intended meaning is:

"There are those who are convinced that there is more to things; they spend their time chasing that 'more' but typically don't find it. And there are those who are convinced there isn't more to things; they find themselves frustrated at the abyss."

Avicebron•59m ago
Isn't this solarpunk in a nutshell?
Morromist•56m ago
Humans weren't built to live in massive societies with 100s of millions of people.

No wonder we love minecraft and Satisfactory and playing murder-hobos in ttrpgs. I would be in favor of restructuring society to be in smaller units, communities where people know and understand eachother, but nobody has that power.

One thing I disagree with "We won’t live in small villages with cobbled streets en masse anymore because we need the giant glass skyscrapers and the congealed intellect of our multi billion population to move ahead"

Do we? What is "moving ahead"? I would say there's a good chance our way of life is simply going to waste all the resouces that sustains it and collapse over a long period of time without moving on to a "higher" state. I know lots of people working in tech, none of whom actually advance useful technology. Instead they advance technology that makes their bosses rich and makes people consume more for no real benefit. That's actually the opposite of useful. The glass skyscrapers are not helping us move ahead.

LanceH•50m ago
We also don't want to die of pneumonia at 11.
The_Blade•45m ago
i like breaking bad in RimWorld
chaostheory•37m ago
Centralizing populations helps with energy and transportation efficiency, which is important if you care about the environment.
ux266478•14m ago
But can't sustain itself. The larger it is, the larger the diffuse buffer it needs to support itself, and this diffuse buffer naturally spreads out as well. It's the natural flow of things to do so.
senfiaj•45m ago
Excellent article, largely agree. Another related issue is that we are not evolved for the modern stress: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo1A45ShcMo
cortesoft•30m ago
I always feel so disconnected to my fellow humans when I hear people longing for "simpler times" where they are just out in nature with no technology or modern tools.

I would be miserable living simply like that. I don't like spending too much time in nature, I get hot and sweaty and itchy and bothered by bugs. I am always wishing to be building something with electronics, or playing a game, or watching a show or movie.

I also want freedom from work, but I wouldn't use that freedom to "live simply" or get away from technology.

pmlnr•24m ago
> I don't like spending too much time in nature, I get hot and sweaty and itchy and bothered by bugs

To me, it sounds like you haven't been in nature at enough places to find the one that talks and belongs to you.

Travel more.

Fr0styMatt88•20m ago
I get the nature thing, but people just don’t ‘play the tape until the end’. It’s all nice until you get a minor cut and die from a simple infection.
andix•11m ago
The "cut and die" part is happening rather quickly, and you're done with it. But you might be hungry for weeks and have to watch your crops grow. Probably really boring and uncomfortable.
skor•20m ago
your experience is not applicable to others, thanks for your feedback and we appreciate it. Lots of people understand that nature is a part of life just like you are and live accordingly.
watwut•20m ago
I definitely dont want any of that.
pmlnr•18m ago

    They're pathetically pretechnological or brilliantly post-technological.
    - Stargate Atlantis ep. 14: Sanctuary
mohamedkoubaa•16m ago
>We want to live in a hunter gatherer mode where we get to follow our curiosities and our ambitions and our vibes and our likes until it reaches the natural conclusion

We don't all want that.

stevenalowe•14m ago
“ The visions are filled with communities of mutually loving people, the elimination of middlemen from transactions, where everyone knows the true you, the nonexistence of bureaucracy, the existence of a social good that’s identifiable by looking around. Essentially, the simple life.”

Except none of that ever existed

dfxm12•14m ago
I don't know about all this. I want a society where I have healthcare and can safely eat a salad.
lapcat•6m ago
I look at the author's bio and can't help but think that this is just the setup, with the punch line that AI will run the world.
NoItsDanger•5m ago
I want to be able to freely move around the globe in a floating glass orb with its own WiFi and power outlets, and enough room to put some entertainment stuff in.
Animats•3m ago
Title is unrelated to content.

If you want "a hunter gatherer lifestyle with space age tools" read "Walkaway", by Cory Doctorow. This is the 3D printer fantasy future, where everything can be made easily with small and easily available high-tech equipment. It sort of works in the story. But in reality, 3D printers aren't that good. Somewhere, you need aluminum smelters, steel mills, and copper mines. Those don't scale down well to desktop size.

What this article is talking about is the classic pastoral dream, along the lines of Thoreau's "Walden". Walden is a bogus hermit life. Thoreau had income from a publisher in New York and well-off friends nearby he could and would visit for dinner. Or perhaps the hippie / Whole Earth Catalog dream. We know that doesn't work all that well.

Arguably, we've achieved pastoral life at scale. It's called suburbia. All the pastoral elements are there, in miniature. For a lot of people, that's good enough. If you scale up your own space beyond that, the maintenance gets out of hand. I have a friend who has ten acres and horses, and she's always painting or hauling hay or dealing with some water or power problem. If you farm, it's even harder.

How does the author propose that this work?

WJW•33m ago
I don't hate it, but at the same time things like the power grid and semiconductor manufacturing have supply chains that easily have 100 million people each in them if you follow it down enough. That's probably underestimating it, even. Modern society is super complex like that, however I don't think it's accurate to say that electricity and the internet have not brought any benefits to humanity.

I get it, it can be alienating to live in modern society. But you can create meaning and community even today. Probably not if you spend 80 hours a week in the office, but if you put in the effort to get to know your neighbors, join local sports clubs and keep up with the friendships you've built over the years, having a social group is not out of reach. It's just that you can't maximize for two different goals at the same time.

beacon294•22m ago
It just depends how far through the eye of the needle we already went, and how far we have to go. I don't want to go backwards. Humans are adapting, always locally, and never uniformly.
sologub•16m ago
We have to move to stars, maybe not all at once.
nozzlegear•16m ago
> Humans weren't built to live in massive societies with 100s of millions of people.

Humans were built to socialize and live in societies though. It's part of our own nature to group up and form communities.

Detrytus•8m ago
Yes, but the size of community matters. In a 100 people tribe everybody knows everyone else. In 1M city most people are strangers, a.k.a. competitors, enemies even.
pbkompasz•16m ago
> Not sure from the page but I rode one coal powered steam train in Poland for “fun” and i wish i never did. It was an open carriage trip in koszalin and the pollution it did was such that coal particles rained on everyone. It was awful and I don’t get the nostalgia of riding such an obsolete vehicle. I was so outraged about it I told my wife the experience was like trying to experience a big pre industrial city without sewage system and finding it nostalgic.

From a post earlier today

andix•16m ago
It's actually not that hard to return to this lifestyle. Maybe easier than ever before. Just buy an old farm somewhere in the middle of nowhere and do your thing. There are many regions in the world where farmland is really cheap and nobody will bother you.
Razengan•11m ago
Try traveling to countries and cities where you can live with all modern comforts in your hotel/Airbnb room and still be close to nature.

Green mountains, fresh air, and still get 5G and order food or taxi to wherever you are.

dismalaf•8m ago
> I get hot and sweaty and itchy and bothered by bugs

Maybe go somewhere colder, or in a different season.

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