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Agent Memory as a File Format

https://calpaterson.com/memoryfields.html
26•ingve•1h ago

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JustFinishedBSG•41m ago
That's a whole lot of text to say "it's markdown".
pietz•40m ago
I'm not convinced an unstructured collection of memory files is the way to go at all.
dist-epoch•22m ago
If you look at how agents navigate source code, they do not look at directory names, and drill down into the ones with plausible names, instead the grep the whole repo for plausible keywords.

Of course, ideally your data would be structured, but the agents will mostly be grepping anyway, and maybe look at sibbling files.

pavo-etc•39m ago
I've come to a similar lofi solution for my agent fleet. Markdown wiki with simple querying is decently effective as a memory system. Setting up a skill that can effectively reduce a session into useful long term lessons is the easiest unlock for these systems.
ltsSmitty•37m ago
This was a compelling writeup to me. I read through the spec and found it easy to understand and make sense of.

I wonder how much my system needs something like this. Between the invisible system memory of my random chats with Gippity, my Matt Pocock skills saving terminology and plans, and whatever else Cursor and Codex do, I don't think I feel a need for more agent memory. I do like how it's exposed and searchable, and not invisible. But I honestly just send my questions/tasks away to my magic agent and eventually it gets it right anyway; do I need more discrete memory my team has to maintain? (That's an earnest question, not disregard for this)

DarmokTanagra•32m ago
the new OpenAI spec is agent memory as file names
nullbio•2m ago
Which spec are you referring to?
titzer•27m ago
Agent memory is to computer memory is what Mongo DB is to relational database.

Incredible to watch things come full circle. Next thing you know, someone is going to figure out a binary encoding.

guhcampos•16m ago
What the author suggests is remarkably close to the proposition of OpenViking. I've been testing a few memory solutions and OpenViking is one of my favorites so far.
MichaelGlass•8m ago
I see a lot of claims in this article without ... any proof?

Both can be true: - It's useful to anthropomorphize agents when predicting behavior and - we have to use specific language to specify what we mean.

What does the author mean by "confuse the models" ? Are they talking about not picking right information? Picking the wrong information? Losing their previous context / task?

Part of setting up a proper eval is also deciding what we actually mean ourself. What are we actually optimizing for? It's not, e.g. % confusion, %rubbish, etc.

The article does point to it: retrieval latency, accuracy, etc.

bensyverson•8m ago
It’s good that a lot of people are trying a lot of things when it comes to agentic memory. Sadly none of it represents a complete solution at this time. But we need the experimentation.
dominotw•6m ago
I still dont understand what "agentic memory" is . agents can already call sql / rag and grep through files or whatever. why is "agentic memory" a special thing.
elliotbnvl•4m ago
You could think of it as a more efficient indexing format for data the agent has access to. It’s badly needed as a better representation or pointer map would improve recall time and comprehensiveness dramatically without having to invest further in model training.
TudorAndrei•2m ago
they just want to reinvent information retrieval from first principles; also the fact that everyone forgets to check what currently exists and reinvents hexagonal wheels for the sake of agentic development
calpaterson•2m ago
Just retrieving usually doesn't count as memory. "Memory" tends to imply writing too.

And I agree: it's not a very special thing. That's why I propose: Markdown + a simple embedding.

skapadia•5m ago
Memory is not just a matter of retrieval, it's also a matter of knowing what to retrieve and when.

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