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Hacking OpenAI

https://www.hacktron.ai/blog/hacking-openai
63•Handy-Man•1h ago

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darnfish•33m ago
I really hope those model weights are more secure than this
kerenskiy•32m ago
$6 500 bounty for this is a joke. The black market price would be smth like $6 500 000 or more
sudo_cowsay•26m ago
That's why people like doing bad things. It pays. Why do you think movies like using this single theme over and over again? It's always happening
kdkdkwkdjej•16m ago
I suspect you don’t really know what you are talking about. “It pays.” is not the only reason people like doing bad things. You’re right about the movies bit though, people tend to like black and white narratives as your naive “That’s why people like doing bad things. It pays.” comment perfectly demonstrates.
tptacek•22m ago
There is probably no black market for this at all.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43025038

parhamn•8m ago
> Valuations for server-side vulnerabilities are low, because vendors don't compete for them.

Why don't they?

kerenskiy•7m ago
Okay, then first download all their sources (perhaps with model weights?) and sell that. Not the bug itself
loveparade•19m ago
I also thought that's crazy. Why even bother for these kind of bounties.
samtheprogram•4m ago
[delayed]
rvz•30m ago
This whole blog-post is impressive with the chain of vulnerabilities involved. However...

> OpenAI also paid us a $6,500 bounty.

?

That amount for this payout is beyond pathetic for a near $1.2T company, who just got themselves breached with a complete potential source code leak.

This is like getting close to breaching the main monorepo at Google: google3.

If this was on the black market and the leak included unreleased models and training material, it would easily be worth tens of millions. Even reporting crypto smart contract flaw pay way more than that on average of $100k - $10M.

Come on.

sudo_cowsay•24m ago
The unfortunate truth of doing the right thing. Also, correct me if I'm wrong but there are too many bad things out there and companies can't give 1 million bounty for stuff like that. I'm sure they could but in the long run, wouldn't it be unsustainable?
Shank•20m ago
How much would a nation state pay for a complete copy of OpenAI’s github repositories? I doubt there are many full chains laying around like this.
kdkdkwkdjej•20m ago
No more unsustainable than these companies already are by default. The bounty should have been proportionate to how important and pressing the findings were.
Barbing•18m ago
It’s an interesting bet then.

Pay next to nothing every time, accept one financially-depressed researcher sale to blackhats causing tremendous business disruption every n years. Cheaper than honest payouts to [keep] researchers [honest]? Keep paying chump change. (Booo)

usernomdeguerre•27m ago
>...researchers found a bug in the way that the community-discussion forum Discourse processed certain image files. The researchers had access to a special version of Claude Opus 4.8... >At first, it didn’t work. That evening, however, Anthropic released Opus 5 and by the next day, Claude had found a way to exploit the bug...

Is this speed of capability because hacking is almost entirely machine verifiable, thus training quicker/deeper than other domains?

pixl97•25m ago
>Interestingly, the vulnerable code had been changed upstream the previous year, but the commit was not documented as a security fix and received no CVE.3 This might be a reason why Debian 12 and 13 have not received the security relevant backports in time.

Ooof, keeping packages like this up to date with the rate of updates and churn is a mess.

sandeepkd•10m ago
There was something I was hoping to find in the article, which is this common situation where employees are also the customer of their companies product, they happen to have elevated privileges and yet the credential rules applicable to those accounts are same as regular customers. This is across all the product lines, some companies do a better job than others but its still a problem that exists and gets exploited.
oefrha•5m ago
Unsandboxed ImageMagick is known for being a security nightmare even back when PHP ruled the world (not saying sandboxing is a panacea either, it just requires a different and potentially harder exploit to develop a full chain). Difference is it's easier than ever to turn vulnerabilities into full compromises. At some point we'll have to replace all parsers with something at least as safe as https://github.com/google/wuffs right? Otherwise ImageMagick and co. will just keep giving.
muglug•16m ago
My guess is that OpenAI has done a lot more to prevent exfil of their model weights than the codebase of their main web app and client.

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