Is there a lab more innovative than DeepSeek? Imagine if they had the same compute resources that Anthropic and OpenAI have.
ProphetOfParado•1h ago
Food for thought: Constraints are the source of creativity.
conception•51m ago
Yeah if they had the resources of an OpenAI or anthropic they’d be OpenAI or Anthropic. Scrappy underdogs have to be nimble and innovative.
mirekrusin•30m ago
They are as “underdog” as Linux is to Windows.
rozim•35m ago
Possibly relevant: 突破技术壁垒, "break the technical barricade" -> overcome an obstacle through innovation (in this case, sub SOTA GPUs at least).
Native Chinese speakers to confirm....
michaellee8•29m ago
your translation is correct, I would say Chinese labs may be able to figure out the current capability of latest frontier models in 3-6 months, but then Anthropic and OpenAI may have already been ASI in that time already. China's main problem is still lack of (good) chips, and that is a hardware issue that is unlikely to be solved for a while. and more effort for efficiency means less effort for actual capability improvements. we have already seen what anthropic can do if they focus on efficiency with opus 5.5
impulser_•54m ago
Short term they might have less compute, but long term they will most definitely have more compute. They don't have to worry about energy, they don't have to worry about people blocking them building data centers the only thing stopping them is there no Chinese manufacturer that can produce a chip as good as Nvidia but I would bet that solved in a year or so.
SmartestUnknown•24m ago
Just because other companies don't write papers about what they do doesn't mean they aren't innovative...
doc_ick•16m ago
Sure, but we’ll never know what they do or if it is innovate because we won’t know what they do.
ijidak•22m ago
"Necessity is the mother of invention."
Not sure they'd be the same without the constraints.
vblanco•45m ago
380.000 concurrent sandboxes on 160 Epyc based server nodes. Crazy stuff
doc_ick•17m ago
Will admit that I haven’t read it yet, just saw the crazy number of authors and think this may compete for one of the papers with the most authors.
swingboy•1h ago
ProphetOfParado•1h ago
conception•51m ago
mirekrusin•30m ago
rozim•35m ago
Native Chinese speakers to confirm....
michaellee8•29m ago
impulser_•54m ago
SmartestUnknown•24m ago
doc_ick•16m ago
ijidak•22m ago
Not sure they'd be the same without the constraints.