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California bans child marriage, a practice still legal in 32 US states

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c6rm9mnn0w3eo
57•dabinat•1h ago

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toomuchtodo•53m ago
https://unchainedatlast.org/
djvu97•48m ago
It was legal in the first place?
ImPostingOnHN•44m ago
> a practice still legal in 32 states
NDlurker•43m ago
The headline says yes. The article says paywall.
NewJazz•41m ago
Yes technically allowed with parental consent and judicial approval. Not sure how often it happened.
AzzyHN•32m ago
In California, around 9,000 a year according to the article
gedy•40m ago
Ban is under age 18. Many states allow 16 & 17 with parents permission.
NewJazz•39m ago
California had/has until jan 1 no minimum age. But it requires judicial approval.
GeekyBear•35m ago
As long as your definition of "child" is any person who is not yet legally an adult.
socializer•27m ago
It's really adolescent marriage (the threshold was moved from 16 to 18). Teenage marriages were fairly common in the West well into the 20th century. Vatican City had a minimum age of 12 on the books until 2013.

Europe is now more or less consistently 18 for parental consent, but marriages at a younger age are still permitted across the EU with judicial consent.

kazinator•46m ago
22 of these are "red" states: Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Florida, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, North + South Carolina, North + South Dakota, Ohio, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, West Virginia and Wyoming.

6 more are blue-leaning "purple": Arizona, Colorado, Georgia, Nevada, New Mexico and Wisconsin.

Only four are "blue": California (ban coming into effect 2027 as per article), Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland.

I don't understand why the ban cannot come into effect immediately. Like, wouldn't want to spoil someone's child marriage plans in the next year or so because it would be rude?

plandis•7m ago
> I don't understand why the ban cannot come into effect immediately.

This is the default in Californias constitution:

> Except as provided in paragraphs (2) and (3) of this subdivision [Article 4, section 8], a statute enacted at a regular session shall go into effect on January 1 next following a 90-day period from the date of enactment of the statute.

There are additional legislative hurdles to enact legislation faster than that.

malfist•7m ago
Kentucky had a bill up for vote this year, passed the senate but died in the house. One of the lawmakers specifically amended it to exempt cases where the child is pregnant.
NewJazz•42m ago
Non paywalled article

https://calmatters.org/politics/2026/09/child-marriage-ban-n...

walrus01•41m ago
Still allowed at age 16 in Alabama.

Roll tide...... I guess....

sippingabonedry•23m ago
I hate to upend your "lulz red states" Reddit zinger, but the fact is the law doesn't take effect until January 2027, so until such time there is NO age limit in California.

The limit is 16 in Colorado and Illinois, 15 in Hawaii, and no limit in New Mexico.

Might want to update your notes.

walrus01•18m ago
It wasn't mean to be a "lol red state" thing, for instance, California law still allows first cousins to marry. What in tarnation.
sippingabonedry•14m ago
Yikes.

Bizarrely, the map for cousin marriage is roughly the inverse of the age map, with it being permitted on most of the East coast, CA, CO, NM, AK, & HI.

walrus01•7m ago
I have a personal theory that making first or second cousin marriage illegal would result in a great deal of complaining and likely legal challenges from certain groups that they're being discriminated against on the basis of racial/ethnic origin. Take a look at a global map of the percentage prevalence of first-cousin marriage.

I say this having discussed the phenomenon with friends who immigrated from Pakistan and all of whom have met first-cousin married couples that had one or more children with birth defects or mental disabilities that could very well have been the result of it.

kyleee•40m ago
Circumcision next?
kspacewalk2•30m ago
Male genital mutilation
avrong•38m ago
https://archive.is/VKoo5
zeroonetwothree•37m ago
You can’t enter into other contracts until 18 so why was marriage an exception?
selcuka•28m ago
I get your point (and I agree), but technically the parents sign the contract.
teaearlgraycold•23m ago
Weird
legitster•24m ago
Not true, you can certainly enter into military service contracts and student debt obligations! And unlike marriage, there is no easy way to dissolve those.
toomuchtodo•20m ago
https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/senate-bill/499...

The Findings section has a long, detailed list of child marriage harm. In short, preventing marriage before 18 provides for immense harm reduction in the aggregate and improved odds of life success. I’d push the age to 21 if I could. Rental car companies always had it right to restrict rentals to <25 age cohort due to front lobe development timeline.

(The US allows student debt and military obligations at an age when this cohort is vulnerable to systemically exploit young people, these should not be used as examples imho)

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31590741/

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3621648/

jerkstate•36m ago
still legal in 32 states, and Scotland and Northern Ireland, BBC
NDlurker•34m ago
I don't get how child marriage can be legal. Like, yeah, they get permission from their parents. But does the fact that they're married negate other laws??? I mean, it's still rape. It's still like child abuse. Does marriage = emancipation?
john_strinlai•27m ago
>I mean, it's still rape.

im not in support of under-18s getting married, but, what?

NDlurker•26m ago
Never heard of age of consent laws/statutory rape?
BobbyJo•23m ago
Yes, and the laws around that align with marriage laws, so it's still a confusing statement.
john_strinlai•23m ago
if its not statutory rape before they get married, it doesn't suddenly become it afterwards.

and, as far as i am aware, it requires judicial approval right now. presumably, if it were a case constituting statutory rape, the marriage wouldn't be signed off.

this isn't about 9 year olds getting married to 30 year olds.

vigilantpuma•14m ago
Statutory rape in California is sexual intercourse with anyone under 18. It’s a misdemeanor if the age difference is less than 3 years, but a felony if the adult is 21. So yes, a lot of these marriages would, in fact, constitute statutory rape.

That being said, the law makes an exception for married couples.

avazhi•33m ago
Goes without saying nobody should be married before they're 18 (or probably 25, for that matter, but that's another story), but it seems performative and disingenuous to call this 'child marriage'. A child is a person who hasn't yet reached puberty - clearly that isn't applicable to, say, a 17 year old.

It would be more accurate (but of course garner less headlines) to say California has made it unlawful for a minor to get married.

Also see the technical definition of child here: https://archive.org/details/mosbysdictionary09edunse/page/34...

Admittedly this pits the developmental/medical definition against legal status and perhaps isn't as straightforward as it seems. Nevertheless, under the technical definition a child is necessarily a minor but not every minor is a child.

Thus, saying that California banned minors from being married would cover both cases accurately and be less clickbait-worthy, while saying 'California bans child marriage' is not fully accurate because it doesn't conve7 the full extent of the ban (viz., minors).

lazyasciiart•28m ago
No, it wouldn’t. The youngest known girl to give birth was 5 years old. Was she, in your opinion, a child?
avazhi•24m ago
Not it wouldn't what?

EDIT: Can't reply: 'You're posting too fast'

lazyasciiart•22m ago
Be more accurate.
itslennysfault•
dofm•30m ago
FWIW the situation in the UK, that the BBC doesn’t mention, is similarly muddy.

In England and Wales, since 2022, the minimum age is 18. Previously it was 16 with parental consent, which is the situation in (the rather more religious) Northern Ireland.

In Scotland the age is 16 and parental consent is not required.

So, well into the 20th century young English couples would flee across the border and get married there; most famously at Gretna Green, a town just inside the border.

Scottish marriages involving English/Welsh people under 18 are now not legal.

xvxvx•30m ago
Campaigners always use examples of old men marrying young girls but that’s not common at all.

96% of children getting married were 16 or 17, and 85% of the adults marrying those children were 18-23. Not quite the horror show that campaigners push.

I agree that no one under 18 should be getting married, I just question their tactics.

porkshoe•18m ago
So your concern is that the marketing of a child marriage ban shows the p95 outcome, not the p50?

Weird.

malfist•11m ago
> but that’s not common at all

No one is saying it's common. They're saying it shouldn't happen at all.

porkshoe•6m ago
Your recent posts tell us that you don't have friends, and that you like spending your time with your wife... and posting online in defense of child marriage.

I have news for you: you are going to be a shitty father.

It's clear that you don't respect women (or girls).

Grow the fuck up.

legitster•25m ago
> In the state, there had been no legal age to wed, allowing children to get married as long as their parents consent and a judge signs off on the nuptials.

> There was also no mechanism for people under 18 to get divorced and many girls say they were trapped in abusive and predatory relationships.

Call me misguided, but I don't necessarily see 16 year old and 20 year getting married as equally problematic as the provided examples of 30+ year age gaps.

I think the real issue people are dancing around right now culturally is that these extreme age gap relationships are beginning to make everyone feel very uncomfortable. The difference between a 17 year old and and 18 year old doesn't make them feel less gross and exploitative.

BobbyJo•5m ago
You can drive a car at 15-16 most states, which puts other people's lives in your hands. You can get married between 16 and 18 depending on the state. You can join the army, take on debt, and do pornography at 18, all three of which will completely alter your life long term. You can drink, buy a gun, or enter a casino at 21. These feel someone nonsensically ordered to me. Seems like we should just pick one age for "you can now make and be responsible for your decisions" and stop talking about all of these weird edge cases as if we need the law to deal with all of them.
accountrequired•17m ago
There is an argument that people should marry when they are (*both*) younger. More time to be fruitful and multiply. More time together, instead of encouraging high "body counts" and high-risk behavior. Delaying marriage is not as altruistic as it sounds.
para_parolu•13m ago
It also results in people who get to raise kids while having zero adult life experience.
qwertytyyuu•10m ago
I mean, if people are supposedly "getting high body counts" without, would it really make a difference how often that occurs?
GeekyBear•10m ago
It's interesting when states like California decide that those under 18 are too young to make a decision on marriage, but old enough to decide that they want to have sex change surgery.

It seems like you would come to the same conclusion on the question of "how old you have to be before you can make your own decisions" on both issues.

john_strinlai•4m ago
>but old enough to decide that they want to have sex change surgery.

as far as i am aware, an under-18 can not get sex change surgery in california.

stackghost•2m ago
> states like California decide that those under 18 are too young to make a decision on marriage, but old enough to decide that they want to have sex change surgery.

I don’t think this is factually accurate.

Sex-reassignment surgery (or whatever we are calling it these days) requires parental consent in California if the person seeking it is a minor.

jmyeet•8m ago
Let me describe a few ways why child marriage should be prohibited without any exceptions anywhere:

1. When a minor marries someone of age, their spouse becomes their legal guardian until they become of age (or become emancipated, which is a difficult process generally). Why is that an issue? Well, in abuse situations, it can be incredibly hard for the minor to leave their spouse who is their legal guardian. It's not much different to runaway children being returned to their parents, even when their parents are the source of the abuse. Certain states are worse for this than others, so called "reunification states" where they will absolutely try and return you to your legal guardian unless there's clear and convincing evidence why they shouldn't;

2. A lot of child marriages happen so an adult can escape a statutory rape or rape charge as prosecutors don't tend to prosecute when it's a spouse. It should be noted that spousal rape only became a crime in all 50 states of the US around 2005 (IIRC) and this only really picked up steam around 1990 or so;

3. Because of this lack of power, it creates a whole host of other problems, such as exploitation to the point of trafficking.

Politically, preserving child marriage is a uniquely Republican issue [1].

[1]: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/repu...

Plasmoid•18m ago
People under 18 can enter into contracts for "the necessities of life".
john_strinlai•12m ago
>That being said, the law makes an exception for married couples.

okay, so we're back to marriage != rape.

vigilantpuma•7m ago
I was mostly addressing the “if it wasn’t statutory rape before marriage” claim. The fact is it usually would be.
robocat•15m ago
Calling two midteens having sex "rape" or even worse "pedophilia" is plain abusive.

I'm not talking about older men here.

I'm saying that we need to be careful to avoid creating harm where there was none.

kazinator•11m ago
[delayed]
vigilantpuma•13m ago
At least in California the statutory rape law exempted married couples.
24m ago
Considering...

> In the state, there had been no legal age to wed, allowing children to get married as long as their parents consent and a judge signs off on the nuptials.

I don't even think the headline was sensationalist.

avazhi•20m ago
My point was that saying 'California bans child marriage' is less accurate than 'California bans minors from being able to wed', since the latter (arguably) encompasses a larger group of people. I don't think most people consider a 16 or 17 year old a child in the way a 5 or 8 year old is a child. Put another way, an 8 year old girl being forcibly married to, say, a 30 year old man (as happens in certain places in the world) is, I would put to you, much more offensive and viscerally disgusting than a 17 year old girl being married. Neither should be lawful, but child marriage conjures up images of actual children, surely.
selcuka•17m ago
> I don't think most people consider a 16 or 17 year old a child in the way a 5 or 8 year old is a child.

Did you read the article? There was no minimum age before this bill, so yes, they banned child marriage (by all definitions of it).

> In the state, there had been no legal age to wed, allowing children to get married as long as their parents consent and a judge signs off on the nuptials.

selcuka•22m ago
> A child is a person who hasn't yet reached puberty - clearly that isn't applicable to, say, a 17 year old.

This is incorrect. According to UNICEF, "a child is any person under the age of 18." [1]

> California has made it unlawful for a minor to get married.

There was no minimum age limit in California before this bill.

[1] https://www.unicef.org/child-rights-convention/convention-te...

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