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ASML's strong orders ease fears AI spending boom is running out of steam

https://www.reuters.com/business/asml-forecasts-q4-sales-above-expectations-ai-chip-demand-2026-10-14/
53•tartoran•56m ago

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dboreham•42m ago
Hmm. In a boom people over-order.
baron3dl•33m ago
the site threw up a modal, blocked me from scrolling, then locked the browser, so I couldn't read everything, but from what I could see the gist is people are still over-ordering therefore the boom is going strong.
Good4boothee•22m ago
Yes. ASML is filling order book for 2029 and 2030. I am just not sure, with how long-term investment the chip fabs are, would the slowdown in datacenter demand be visible on ASML's side first or last?
vatsachak•41m ago
Strong orders predicated on future earnings of OAI and Ant?
ArtTimeInvestor•38m ago
The stock price did not move.

So nothing was eased.

redwood•34m ago
How so? The stock is near historic highs
WhatsName•33m ago
I don't think "running out of steam" is the expected failure mode here. We are talking about bulk ordering machines that produce chips that in turn will hit the market in half a decade. That's like adding power plants to the grid that runs the ball pump inflating the ballon. ASML will probably be the last that faces the ripples of the AI bubble going bust.
jeanpah•31m ago
Agree, and orders dont mean liquidity, billing, revenue or profits. If it blows nothing of that Will happen.
flyinglizard•32m ago
If you buy the machines and not use them, at most you lost several hundred of millions of dollars (not really, because that machine still retains value for you or someone else later).

On the opposite end, if you don't buy the machines in time, mispredict the demand and can't produce, you lose tens of billions.

mring33621•31m ago
Until we find a better substrate, silicon IS the future.
emkoemko•29m ago
The title makes no sense... how does ASML orders where you get the machine in the far future predict AI spending?
TheSoftwareGuy•24m ago
It means companies are expecting demand for AI chips to keep increasing
jeltz•17m ago
Or companies want the market to think they are expecting demand.
wongarsu•23m ago
Presumably it indicates confidence from chip makers in long-lasting demand. With a signal with actual stakes, not just words in a shareholder meeting
Iolaum•23m ago
Companies buying those machines need years to get their money back. If they didn't believe they would make a good ROI they wouldn't buy as much.
palmotea•18m ago
> Companies buying those machines need years to get their money back. If they didn't believe they would make a good ROI they wouldn't buy as much.

But if they're in FOMO mode, they might not be thinking about ROI at all. Or if they're in bubble-optimist mode, they would just assume their ROI will be good.

sklargh•29m ago
I’d think that orders for long lead time rivalrous slots of a very finite resource are basically OOTM call options for future demand. It says something that firms think demand is plausible but not a whole lot about how probable it really is. You can always idle these things, you can’t conjure one immediately.
c-fe•22m ago
Welcome to the field of real options! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_options_valuation
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scrlk•25m ago
Feb 2000: Record orders for chip gear push SEMI index to four-year high

https://www.eetimes.com/record-orders-for-chip-gear-push-sem...

> Capital equipment suppliers have been increasing their forecasts for revenue growth in 2000 as chip manufacturers begin to add new wafer fabs and backend assembly plants. Last week, for example, Applied Materials Inc.–the world's largest semiconductor equipment supplier–announced it had increased its forecast for industry growth in wafer fab equipment sales to 46% from a projection of 19% at the end of last year (see Feb. 16 story).

> The strong wave of new orders “confirms the strength of the current market cycle,” said Stanley T. Myers, president of SEMI.

This time it's different.

pendenthistory•18m ago
This time we're building AGI, so yes, this time is different.
ben_w•16m ago
The dot.com bubble didn't pop because the web was a bad idea.

Every time is different, that doesn't stop it rhyming.

RAWGOD•16m ago
>building AGI

Great strategy. Like growing a metric ton of HeLa cells in the hope someone will assemble a super brain out of them.

rachr•15m ago
Is the AGI in the room with us?
PowerElectronix•25m ago
Aren't they always selling everything they manufacture? No matter if you are in a boom or a bust, ASML will always have a years long backlog.
_fw•19m ago
You sell the most shovels right before the gold rush ends.
bryanlarsen•12m ago
The internet bubble popping did not cause internet traffic to decline -- on the contrary internet traffic increased rapidly during the bubble pop.

Similarly, I don't think the AI bubble popping will cause token demand to decline. On the contrary, I predict the bubble pop will happen because of a recognition that tokens are a highly competitive industry, thus the margins of frontier AI firms aren't sustainable, popping their valuations.

jabron•17m ago
And incidentally, believing that you can keep making a good ROI even if it's not true is what fuels a bubble.
throw0101c•4m ago
> Companies buying those machines need years to get their money back. If they didn't believe they would make a good ROI they wouldn't buy as much.

In the late-1990s companies were building out fibre optic networks, as they believed they would get a lot of ROI from all the Information Superhighway demand. The expected demand never came in the expected timeline.

Of course demand eventually used up all the dark fibre over the course of many moons, just not quickly enough to save many companies:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecoms_crash

jacquesm•7m ago
Stop already with the reddit comments.
xadhominemx•7m ago
Can you not feel it’s growing presence?
Forgeties79•15m ago
You can tell they’re serious because they’re proposing data centers in space as a near-term solution.
vrganj•13m ago
But those tulips are so pretty!!
signatoremo•6m ago
So you are saying, just like the Internet, there may or may not be a painful AI burst in a few years, then exponential grow in decades to come? What is the time window to fit your narrative?
onlyrealcuzzo•1m ago
You do realize the same was true every year leading up to 2000.

The peak is always before the fall by definition.

Just because something has peaked SO FAR is a very poor approximation that it has peaked completely.

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