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I Love Software Rendering

https://www.jamesfmackenzie.com/2026/10/13/i-love-software-rendering/
164•speckx•2h ago•109 comments

Big Fish: Exploiting a 37-Year-Old Kernel Bug in OpenBSD

https://calif.io/research/big-fish
43•rs_rs_rs_rs_rs•1h ago•5 comments

Apple ML Research: Muse Spark Open with MLX on Mac Studio

https://machinelearning.apple.com/research/mlx-distributed-inference
52•antipaul•2h ago•14 comments

Show HN: Gemini 4 Argon plays StarCraft

https://starskirmish.com/bench/v0-2/
40•__cayenne__•1h ago•17 comments

What on Earth Is Dekton?

https://www.worksinprogress.news/p/porcelain
14•wawayanda•1h ago•0 comments

Gyroscopes Got So Small [video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Zc_6xB5W3Y
40•surprisetalk•1d ago•8 comments

How to Formalize All of Mathematics

https://xenaproject.wordpress.com/2026/10/16/how-to-formalize-all-of-mathematics/
27•practal•1h ago•13 comments

Is Liquid Metal Killing Our PCs? Scientific Analysis and a 2-Year Test [video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eF6bMSjPepM
37•zdw•16h ago•14 comments

RFC8950: Announce IPv4 with an IPv6 next-hop

https://anuragbhatia.com/post/2026/06/rfc8950-announce-ipv4-with-ipv6-next-hop/
24•porridgeraisin•2h ago•3 comments

Yet another way to invoke functions without parentheses

https://blog.ikaes.de/yet-another-way-to-invoke-functions-without-parentheses/
193•aragonite•2d ago•79 comments

Woman who rescued injured crow keeps getting 'thank-you gifts' from birds [video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjNpfz4UzqU
657•johnnyApplePRNG•3d ago•206 comments

Stolen Renoir paintings found hidden, and damaged, behind cinder block wall

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/stolen-renoir-paintings-found-behind-wall-france/
11•ohjeez•2d ago•3 comments

Show HN: OneDeploy – Managed open-source apps with nightly backups and TLS

https://onedeploy.co
3•relatedcode•9m ago•0 comments

Hello Toronto – Waymo Is En Route

https://waymo.com/blog/2026/10/waymo-in-toronto/
84•ChrisArchitect•1h ago•119 comments

The Economic Complexity of the Western Roman Empire

https://www.michelecoscia.com/?p=2613
110•mikk14•2d ago•18 comments

What was a Token Ring network?

https://dfarq.homeip.net/what-was-a-token-ring-network/
17•ibobev•2h ago•7 comments

Meta’s new commercial terms will allow the scraping of news sites: experts

https://www.niemanlab.org/2026/10/metas-new-commercial-terms-will-allow-the-scraping-of-news-site...
423•0in•16h ago•152 comments

AI-assisted PCB design for KiCad 10

https://github.com/mixelpixx/Konnect
79•ofrzeta•2d ago•25 comments

How to make System 1 LLMs show System 2 competencies?

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1002/aaai.70113
7•porridgeraisin•1h ago•2 comments

MS Paint Adds Freeform Rotation (2026)

https://blogs.windows.com/windows-insider/2026/02/20/announcing-windows-11-insider-preview-build-...
28•telestew•2d ago•21 comments

Bark: The Toll-Free BBS for 90s Teens

https://blog.bityard.net/articles/2026/October/bark-the-toll-free-bbs-for-90s-teens
19•bityard•3h ago•4 comments

Two-Stack Sliding-Window Aggregation

https://orlp.net/blog/two-stack-sliding-window-aggregation/
100•surprisetalk•3d ago•18 comments

The Folders Programming Language

https://danieltemkin.com/esolangs/folders
166•gurst•10h ago•30 comments

Show HN: rStation – A shared research lab for your AI agents

https://rstation.ai/
7•stephenchung•1h ago•1 comments

RPKI now protects 70% of internet routes

https://ipinfo.io/blog/rpki-protects-70-internet-routes
203•emot•14h ago•86 comments

Tesla Unveils 'Flying' Roadster with SpaceX Thrusters [video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqOfmtTJD1A
19•skadamat•1h ago•1 comments

New 'Super Ice' 10 Times Stronger, Bringing It Close to the Strength of Concrete

https://www.sciencealert.com/a-new-super-ice-is-10-times-stronger-bringing-it-close-to-the-streng...
72•andrewl•2d ago•47 comments

Apple routed a graphite pipe through the iPhone Duo's hinge to dissipate heat

https://www.pcmag.com/news/apple-routed-a-graphite-pipe-through-the-iphone-duos-hinge
178•giuliomagnifico•3d ago•128 comments

Any window from your Mac, on your iPhone and iPad

https://github.com/Saffsanity/sill
219•chanana•14h ago•59 comments

What I self-host

https://viceconsole.fyi/blog/2026/10/10/what-i-self-host/
605•BrunoBernardino•19h ago•385 comments
Open in hackernews

Hello Toronto – Waymo Is En Route

https://waymo.com/blog/2026/10/waymo-in-toronto/
83•ChrisArchitect•1h ago

Comments

lapkaaaa•55m ago
Saw a Waymo test car in Munich recently. Guess they will start operations in EU from here soon.
shevy-java•36m ago
I don't think US companies are much appreciated in the EU. It has to do with a certain orange guy, Mr. Krasnov. Just see how he sold out Ukrainians to Putin recently (again!) aka no info sharing. (Though, EU countries also suck here - why can they not compensate for the USA? This is deliberate sabotaging going on from EU countries as well, though Krasnov far outperforms them all combined, in a negative manner. He must get a lot of financial kickbacks for his family dynasty.)
lapkaaaa•32m ago
Munich has been a long-standing operational base for many US companies in EU, so they might try just a pilot, but it's not only waymos I see here, also some bmw self-driving test vehicles, also nvidia(?) test vehicles etc. And trust me as a ukrainian myself I know what people think about orange man both here and back there. And europeans are largely sceptical about US companies not because of him but mostly because they're just american.
hncbw02z5a•55m ago
Winter is the real test here. Worked on lidar perception for a bit and falling snow throws returns everywhere, plus once the lane lines are under slush everyone just drives in the ruts the car ahead made. Curious how they handle those unofficial lanes.
lapkaaaa•52m ago
I have zero idea about lidar operational capabilities, but can you heat them to stop snow and ice from piling up?
mdurana•47m ago
Afaik the already do this. But another problem is that falling snowflakes reflect lidar pulses and heating doesn't help in that case
spollo•45m ago
Parent is referring to snow in the environment, not on the lidar itself.

When snowing in Toronto you usually cannot see the painted lines on the road, there's just the lines from cars driving through the snow that you follow. Sometimes two lane roads become an unofficial one lane road depending on what feels safe.

The falling snow also bounces the laser pulses(?) back at the lidar. Snow fall can be pretty heavy and make it difficult to see objects far ahead. Not sure how well their handling of rain ports over to snow, but it will be interesting to see!

lapkaaaa•43m ago
Damn, you guys have it hard over there
Rohansi
suddenlybananas•54m ago
I'd rather have bike lines :(
throw__away7391•50m ago
I'd 100% rather bike around a Waymo than a human driver.
Fricken•47m ago
Toronto is embroiled in partisan politicking around bike lanes. The provincial premiere is overriding city council to have them removed, which is what I suspect is the motivation behind the parent comment.
scosman•50m ago
both?

both!

BeaverGoose•47m ago
The bike lanes are being removed by our conservative government. So not both :(
whynotmaybe•49m ago
Bike lines don't send Canadian money to a startup in the USA so I guess bike lines don't have financial means to lobby the government.
lapkaaaa•48m ago
It'd be good to have more bike lanes, and waymo-type transport being used as a part of a public transport ecosystem rather than just pure taxi.
trizoza•53m ago
Edinburgh next please!
smallpipe•43m ago
I'd rather we left that car dependency enabler to the yanks thank you very much
kypro•25m ago
Yeah, driverless cars are like something out of a sci-fi film. Modern tech like this is not going to fit with the aesthetics of European cities.

You can walk or cycle... Modern bikes are light and pretty fast too.

We need regulation to ensure they don't come here.

mech4bg•19m ago
Still plenty of cars/taxis in Europe and Waymo is much safer than human drivers. IMO legislating against them is legislating against safety. As a pedestrian I feel far safer around Waymo than human drivers.
canadiantim•52m ago
I doubt they’ll cut it in Toronto traffic. What’ll they do when going west by DVP and lakeshore, only a human can effectively navigate that space
dyauspitr•50m ago
It’s doing Manhattan, it’ll be fine.
rafram•43m ago
It's not. Waymo was using human-driven cars to collect data in NYC for a while, but their permit expired and they no longer operate at all in New York.
voidmain0001•51m ago
2028 arrival date.
fidotron•50m ago
Will be interesting how it handles the tougher climate conditions.

Montreal would be the ultimate test, both climatically and just for navigating sheer chaos. Those Roadster jets may finally make a smooth ride throughout the whole of the city possible.

oblio•48m ago
> Montreal would be the ultimate test, both climatically and just for navigating sheer chaos.

The ultimate test would be Cairo or Mumbai or Lagos :-)

jstummbillig•47m ago
Not much snow in any of these, or occluded vision. Which drivers seem to struggle with, a lot.
oblio•18m ago
Just traffic conflicts to the Nth power and bad/unmarked infrastructure.
ChrisMarshallNY•42m ago
I remember the traffic in Cairo (1970s).

It was absolute chaos. They had "half-cars" driving around (front-wheel-drive cars, with the back end missing, and replaced with a rickety wooden cart; sometimes, just like a drag cart, with no wheels).

jscott817•44m ago
Denver just launched ahead of a supposed "Super El Nino" winter. We'll see what happens.
sheepscreek•47m ago
The second half of the post in Canadian French is a nice touch.
Bubble1296•42m ago
Canada has two official languages: Canadian English and Canadian French. This satisfies both the English-speaking population and the French-speaking population. As a result, signs, plaques, and public articles are posted with both the Canadian English version as well as the Canadian French version.
ChrisMarshallNY•41m ago
I believe that bilingualism is required by law. Many US product packages have repeats of the information in french.
mjr00•20m ago
This really depends on the context, but in general bilingualism is only required for the public sector and adjacent things (such as federal standards around food packaging). A private company like Waymo certainly does not need to send out a press release in English and French.
jt2190•2m ago
[delayed]
senderista•30m ago
The official language is Zesty Mordant.
bix6•41m ago
Waymo is great. But I don’t want it in my town. More money and data for Google. No improvement to my local public transport.
labrador•39m ago
A lot of women want it along with the ability to order Uber/Lyft from women drivers only.
ktosobcy•35m ago
Maybe fix underlying social problem instead of forcing more crap that tries to patch the absolute terrible state?
mikepurvis•29m ago
That's a very different problem that probably has a generational timetable.

Letting women get home safely with a robot driver is a thing that can happen today.

catlikesshrimp•20m ago
Not today. Not next year, either. And calling taxi service that dangerous is an exageration. Preference enhanced by that type of comments would be more accurate
echelon_musk•18m ago
Where's the profit in that?
bix6•
tcoop25•38m ago
Took my first Waymo in Austin, TX last weekend and it did not go well. Was supposed to be a 9 minute drive, then randomly it tells us the ride has been 'slightly extended' to 45 minutes. Customer support dropped us off at a restaurant and said sorry. We ordered a human Uber.

Honestly the last thing I thought would happen would be that it would get lost. I thought maybe it would get confused on the road, but it drove better than most human drivers.

sssilver•32m ago
The perfect driving equivalent of AI slop
wombat-man•10m ago
Did it think it needed to take a very out of the way route?
shevy-java•38m ago
Wait ... isn't this Google? Aka a US company?

I understand the issue of technical power, mind you, but I don't really see how US companies expanding into Canada is a good idea as long as a hostile orange individual keeps on potty-mouthing Canadians.

papercrane•37m ago
Google already has quite a large office in Toronto.
bubbluppugus•32m ago
So your response to asocial, xenophobic politicians is give them what they want?

"I will show that America first President who wants to fracture global trade...by arguing for fracturing global trade."

That gen pops tune changed with the political climate just like big corp previously going on about left wing shit is stunning

Ya'll are just LARPing what you watch on TV and read online

Rohansi•18m ago
Maybe we'll end up cancelling whatever contract Waymo got and give them a secret payout amount like we did for Starlink.
dennis_jeeves2•9m ago
>hostile orange individual

Orange guy may make news, but Canada has greater problems from within.

jbmchuck•36m ago
Just in time for the bike lane removals /s
semiquaver•29m ago
This give me hope that other snowy midwestern cities are right around the corner.
ptaffs•26m ago
What does robotaxi offer apart from less taxi-driver jobs? They can't inherently shorten journeys or avoid surface disruption, we already have taxi services in most cities. This just removes a human job and that's the progress.
KolmogorovComp•23m ago
What does a 1-driver taxi compared to a 2-drivers taxi offer apart from fewer taxi-driver jobs? They can't inherently shorten journeys or avoid surface disruption, we already have taxi services in most cities. This just removes a human job and that's the progress.

Now what about a 3-drivers taxi?

The answer is always the same, people hope to lower the driver cost, which I believe is significant for a 1-driver taxi.

ptaffs•3m ago
Well, some long-haul coaches have two drivers to allow them to switch-out for safety but keep the passengers and bus moving. Of all the things to get excited about, I don't understand why reducing the labor costs for corporates is one. Improving transportation instead would benefit us all, for example with better road design and mixed/integrated transport systems.
notemaker•21m ago
Road safety. Personal safety. A consistent experience.
quaverquaver•20m ago
It obeys the rules of the road and kills many fewer people - 0 killed in 250M miles. Driving a machine is something people are not good enough at frankly.
127-1298•24m ago
Absolutely sick. Again they are using minimal job creations and people with diseases to push their job-killing, inhumane surveillance devices.
CountHackulus•18m ago
I wonder how this will handle streetcars. It's illegal to pass a streetcar with the doors opening. There's a flashing signal on the vehicle, but it seems like a fairly important local difference. I hope it won't take a pedestrian death to get that sort of thing looked at.
mech4bg•18m ago
They handle school buses which have a similar mechanism, so I would hope it's already a solved problem.
127-1298•16m ago
Shouldn't Waymo be renamed into ASIC, "American Super Intelligence Car"?

Toronto is already on Lake America (approved by Google). Maybe bring out the traffic cones or get another trucker protest.

SenHeng•13m ago
I happened to drive past 2 of them in Tokyo a couple of weeks ago. One was making a left turn into an alley, another was on the otherwise of the road so I never got to see how they actually drove but I giddily squealed like a happy pig rolling in the mud WAYMO! as I tried explaining to my shocked wife wtf was going on. It's been so long since I've had this feel of wonder when seeing technology.

I'm so going to ride in one once they're open to the public.

weitendorf•4m ago
I’m so glad to see someone excited about them, because this is how I felt when they first started to go live in San Francisco. Now I take them multiple times a week, and have been doing so for multiple years.

They really do feel like magic, and give you palpable proof that you’re living in the future.

zombittack•10m ago
I live in Denver, Colorado. A Waymo drove into a farmers market. Luckily, no one was hurt. I assume a human doing this would be charged with reckless driving. Local cops said there are no laws to charge a driverless car with a crime. Absolutely stupid for a city or state government to approve autonomous systems in their municipalities without first enacting very strict and very punitive laws around these systems. This goes for surveillance, sidewalk delivery bots, and especially driverless cars.

I only say this hoping Toronto is not like "The Wild West" and hopefully has protections around these tech companies stealing jobs and hording wealth in the interest of public efficiencies.

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24m ago
You get used to it. I tried FSD (latest version) last winter in those conditions and it had no issues. Waymo shouldn't have any issues with it either.
jhonof•4m ago
Street parking in the core makes what would be a manageable amount of snow into a disaster like 2 weeks a year minimum because plows can't get down older streets.
scosman•49m ago
that's in the FAQ. They say they have sensor cleaning tech. But they aren't launching until 2028 so 2 winters of testing should tell.
parthdesai•38m ago
They will also need mother nature to co-operate. Last winter was brutal in terms of snow, we barely had any snow the year before that!
coldpie•47m ago
They've been doing test runs here in Minneapolis for more than a year. You're right that it's a challenge, but I bet they'll do fine after a couple years of refinement.
jscott817•43m ago
Yep, full launching in Denver just recently as well.
fidotron•46m ago
That's one of the reasons lidar will prove to be a dead end for this application. It's a temporary enabling technology on the path to the simpler multiple camera based solution.
lapkaaaa•44m ago
Best approach would be to use both lidar and cameras. They compliment each other
fidotron•41m ago
No, in the limit where everyone has lidar they end up stepping on each other too. Being a totally passive sensor system is a major benefit for mass deployment, on top of the cost advantages.

Lidar is cool when you want to get a point cloud from a fixed location, or dealing with perfectly uniform surfaces (which cars don't because humans can't do this either), but beyond that there are better ways to do things.

Fricken•41m ago
Camera's can't see in the dark. There is no perfect sensor. Waymo relies multiple sensor modalities: Cameras, Lidar, ultrasonics, radar, gps, inertial measurement units.
Rohansi•34m ago
Cars don't drive in the dark. Roads are usually lit. And every car has its own lights for seeing where you are driving.
triceratops•6m ago
> Roads are usually lit

Not always. Definitely not all freeways.

> And every car has its own lights for seeing where you are driving

Not always far enough. Especially at freeway speeds on unlit freeways.

fidotron•4m ago
So how can humans do it?

If humans don't have lidar but can drive it's an existence proof of the viability of that approach.

kotaKat•45m ago
They linked to https://waymo.com/blog/2025/10/creating-an-all-weather-drive... discussing the snow mitigations all the way from software down to the built-in heaters on the sensors.
yorwba•43m ago
When all an account posts is claims of first-hand experience with various unrelated technologies, the strategy becomes a bit too obvious: https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=hncbw02z5a&next=5009...
Bubble1296•41m ago
True. But don't most people drive in the tracks of the car ahead? I know when it snows people sometimes make a three-lane highway into a two-way "rut railway" road, and make do.
diskzero•40m ago
I worked on perception systems five years ago and we had de-noising algorithms that are much better now. We would never have dared to drive in obscured lanes, but I assume Waymo’s high resolution maps and sensor fusion are extremely good, but yeah, are the vehicles going to plow through the unofficial lanes?
shagie•29m ago
As a driver in places where it snows... I'm curious about how it will handle:

1. Fresh unplowed snow where there are no lane markers visible.

2. Significant banks that take up half a lane with two lanes in each direction.

3. Ice (often one doesn't start going through an intersection on a green until you're 100% sure that every car has cleared - I've been on both sides of this, where you don't go because there's a car sliding through, and the car sliding through because slick ice doesn't care about brakes)

4. Hard braking (the "drive slow and use the brakes lightly for a long while")

5. Cold car things. Electric battery life in the cold (heater for the passengers). Wipers frozen to the windshield. Accumulation of snow on the window. Excess snow on top of the car (considered an insecure load).

---

Tangent for the "how do you handle lanes when you can't see any" ... old school approach: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/833362

> Driving a snowplow during whiteout condition is one such example. In order to improve the safety and efficiency of the snow removal operation, a supplemental steering guidance display was proposed and instrumented in a Caltrans snowplow. The guidance information was calculated based on the magnetic markers embedded under the roadway. Operations were successfully conducted on a 6.25 km freeway over Donner Summit on Interstate 80 in California during the 1998-1999 winter season.

https://ahmct.ucdavis.edu/advanced-snow-plow

preommr•39m ago
Please, not this shit again.

Ford is already removing bike lanes.

Tax dollars to put in bike lanes, and then tax dollars to remove them.

blululu•25m ago
Fair, but I would take Waymos over Rob Ford being allowed to drive any day. As a bicycle commuter I find that Waymos are quite pleasant to share the road with. They generally try to avoid hitting me. Never had a Waymo swerve into my lane, or try to sideswipe me, or accelerate to cut me off to make a right turn, or make overt death treats because "roads are for cars".
jjsullivan5196•44m ago
They have a limited presence in New Orleans, mostly rolling around the French Quarter and Uptown. The roads look bombed out in parts of Uptown, maybe not the absolute worst anywhere but it's close.
palijer•39m ago
Describing Montreal as "sheer chaos" only makes sense in the north American context. Karachi and other such cities are actually chaos.
Fricken•35m ago
I find the anarchist traffic of developing world cities to be more aligned with natural game theory principles than proscriptive protocols. For a computer it may be simpler.
the_sleaze_•33m ago
Self driving is all tactics and no strategy. Waymo would freeze solid when confronted with several hundred motor-scooters and dozens of tuk-tuks.
Zhenya•31m ago
~34% of Montreal residents are from 2nd or 3rd world countries
john_strinlai•26m ago
what point are you making?
Zhenya•22m ago
Derivation is up to the reader.
john_strinlai•17m ago
so, just.. stirring up some xenophobia for the lols?
triceratops•13m ago
They don't have driving tests in Montreal? (Or Quebec?) Anyone can just drive?

Otherwise you're just being racist.

Insanity•22m ago
At least in Toronto traffic they’ll mostly be capped at 10km/h, doubt they’ll have any high speed collisions with the terrible traffic here lol.
sandworm101•37m ago
>> Montreal would be the ultimate test, both climatically and just for navigating sheer chaos.

Montreal is a vacation compared to the great plains/prairies: -40 with half the road coved by blown snow. Lets see how the navigation system reacts to a total absence of painted lines and visible curbs. Or go to the rocky mountains. I doubt Montreal streets contain any mountain passes worthy of naming.

rikthevik•18m ago
Yeah, I regularly drive from Saskatchewan to BC in the winter.

I'm generally enthusiastic for electric vehicles, but batteries and FSD don't really work in a 12 hour blizzard at -40. Doesn't match my use case. :)

freedomben•17m ago
I had a similar thought from my time living in Alaska. half the year there aren't any lines on the road other than the occasional tracks from the previous car that drove on it, and that's if the wind is low. It's not unusual to have half the road covered in a foot or two of snow from a drift. Humans can see them and usually avoid them, but it involves strategically using the oncoming lane. Would be interesting to see the nav system deal with that!
sdenton4•13m ago
(well, there is Mont Real, for which the city is named... But I'll agree it's not much of a mountain.)
alex1138•34m ago
Pothole observed. Diverting around pothole -

pothole observed. Diverting a-

pothole observed. d-

pothole.

po-

fidotron•28m ago
You have crashed into a cone.
Insanity•21m ago
That or the random homeless person who decides to cross the road randomly.

You’re either dodging construction site, homeless people, or just sitting in traffic.

dgacmu•28m ago
They've been mapping, or whatever they do, Pittsburgh for almost a year now, and it was pretty funny watching the cars navigate around massive snow piles last winter. Curious to see how the rollout goes here. <Insert popcorn emoji.>
joenot443•22m ago
I was thinking this too - my guess is the cars simply wouldn't offer rides on days with really poor conditions.

Toronto's winter driving is normally very reasonable compared to Montreal. My guess is the Waymos operate some ~355 days a year, taking days off after big storms.

verelo•9m ago
This could still be a problem. Human drivers are still available on these days today, and if services like Waymo take over and theres less Uber (et al) drivers, then we'll have no support on the worst days.
fidotron•6m ago
Compounded by the fact in winter basically everyone will be going to the airports at least twice to escape, which drives demand.

Basically if the planes are flying the robotaxis will need to work.

sandworm101•21m ago
It is more complex than that. Quebec (Montreal) has additional laws over and above the national laws, often requiring that French text be bigger/longer/more prominent than the English text.

There was also controversy over proper names v. decryptions. "Macdonalds" is a proper name but should "Burger King" be translated to "Burger Roi".

mjr00•10m ago
> As a result, signs, plaques, and public articles are posted with both the Canadian English version as well as the Canadian French version.

In general this is untrue outside of Quebec (and maybe Ontario). I'm in Vancouver and while there's some federally mandated bilingual text, the French-speaking population here is extremely low and day-to-day everything is English-only. Even local public sector things like announcements on the train. You're more likely to see signs in Mandarin than French.

semiquaver•30m ago
A legally required one, natch.
30m ago
Fair point, Uber has a female driver mode now.

Doesn’t change my desire for better public transport though.

gosub100•22m ago
What about race or religious preference too?
catlikesshrimp•19m ago
Cathering to racism now? /s ?
Rebelgecko•16m ago
IMO it's a safer and more comfortable passenger experience
criddell•14m ago
Do you know any women who have had drivers act inappropriately towards them? Or drivers who pretend the meter is broken and try to charge more?

There are lots of reasons somebody might prefer a driverless car and lots of reasons somebody might prefer a human driver. Why not have a choice?

Tiktaalik•11m ago
- frees up people to do more important things than drive you around.

- can play your own weird free jazz via Spotify.

- obeys traffic rules

triceratops•10m ago
30-35% of the cost of running a city bus is the driver.

Imagine what cities could do with 50% higher bus frequency or more bus routes.

iLoveOncall•3m ago
Ok except apparently Waymo is more expensive than human-driven alternatives.
tempest_•1m ago
Buses / Trams are the best use of this tech since not only is a high percentage of the cost the driver but they also drive the same predictable routes and not all over the place.

There are issues though. If you remove the staff from the bus you will need to handle some particularly unruly passengers in a different way. Currently the driver just stops until that person leaves or gets police / special constables involved.

jen20•2m ago
Of the robotaxis in Austin, I've only used Waymo, but have used it fairly extensively. So far I have noticed:

- Waymo vehicles don't argue about having the air conditioning on,

- They don't try and talk about local (or national) politics to you while driving,

- They don't play annoying games to try to make you cancel rides they don't want to take while collecting cancellation fees (see the /r/uberdrivers subreddit for quite how endemic this is),

- The selection of music (or not) is with the rider, not the driver,

- They smell better - an especially important point during summer when temperatures are regularly over 100 degrees. This is as much about the lack of gross air freshener trees as it is about an extra person in the car the whole day,

- The cars aren't falling apart. This has got noticeably worse for Uber and Lyft (which was always a little more flexible on the age and condition of cars) - it's not uncommon to see fault lights on human-driven ride share vehicles, or body panels duct-taped or twined in place.

There are three major disadvantages right now:

- Waymo is only available through the Uber app, and there is no preference to say you only want Waymo vehicles. This will be fixed in January 2028, which I assume is contractual rather than technical, since during the launch period the standalone app was used - but I wish they'd hurry up, or they'll likely lose my business to Zoox or similar,

- They don't use highways currently, leading to some fairly circuitous routes that take longer than they should, especially to downtown,

- They don't go to the airport. Ride sharing dynamic pricing to the airport means that for trips under a week it's often cheaper to park than to ride-share though (even from ~downtown). I have no doubt that the robotaxis will learn the tricks of late-stage capitalism once they have some market lock-in though.