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Zuckerberg's Meta Takes Down No Kings Instagram During Protest Day

https://meidasnews.com/news/zuckerbergs-meta-takes-down-no-kings-instagram-during-massive-protest...
297•DeepLogin•1h ago•141 comments

Bleached corals thrive within days when touching healthy neighbour

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-026-03266-x
341•alkyon•1d ago•75 comments

Dam removals are bringing fish back across the northeastern United States

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/dam-removals-are-bringing-fish-back-across-the-nort...
216•sohkamyung•1d ago•55 comments

Lean Now Ships with Verified Kernels

https://leodemoura.github.io/blog/2026-10-15-lean-now-ships-with-verified-kernels/
17•matt_d•1d ago•0 comments

DeepSeek-v4.1-Flash-1017

https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V4.1-Flash-1017
720•theykk•18h ago•596 comments

Furifont, a Japanese font that shows furigana

https://furifont.antfu.me/
282•plaguna•2d ago•59 comments

Pele – Mermaid diagrams as themeable SVG

https://pele.run/
265•dchest•10h ago•26 comments

The Commodore 64 hardware simulator: break chips and pins, see the results

https://github.com/antirez/c64-hw-simulator
148•antirez•2d ago•24 comments

Making chicken transparent using Dorito dust

https://chillphysicsenjoyer.substack.com/p/making-chicken-transparent-using
262•crescit_eundo•12h ago•68 comments

NY announces game ownership bill requiring ownership rather than licensing

https://www.tomshardware.com/video-games/new-york-rep-announces-game-ownership-bill-that-would-re...
84•guiambros•2h ago•18 comments

Gold is now the top U.S. export

https://www.numismaticnews.net/gold-now-top-u-s-export
252•iamnothere•9h ago•127 comments

Types of types: Haskell's Kind system

https://thunk.blog/posts/types-of-types-haskell-kind-system/
59•Thom2503•3d ago•29 comments

Custom server to revive neato bots

https://github.com/vacuula/vacuula
14•matttah•3d ago•1 comments

You could have invented transformers from memory

https://alexwang.ai/posts/associative-memory/
509•speckx•1d ago•119 comments

Source code of the Estonian online voting system

https://github.com/valimised/ivxv
175•theanonymousone•23h ago•142 comments

Chrome and Edge are removing XSLT: what breaks and what does not

https://doctor-seo.net/en/blog/news/chrome-edge-removing-xslt/
97•croes•6h ago•96 comments

Show HN: High-quality duck audio synthesizer

https://celphase.github.io/duck-pond/
91•celphase•13h ago•24 comments

Codex Desktop continuously generates Crashpad pending dumps

https://github.com/openai/codex/issues/25921
81•AIorNot•8h ago•32 comments

Solar surpasses nuclear power globally for first time

https://www.pv-magazine.com/2026/09/29/solar-surpasses-nuclear-power-globally-for-first-time/
496•xbmcuser•12h ago•312 comments

A skeptic's first contact with Kubernetes (2024)

https://blog.davidv.dev/posts/first-contact-with-k8s/
91•pmoriarty•23h ago•51 comments

I Became a Citizen of Japan

https://www.derekwessman.com/blog-1/natural
153•luu•9h ago•75 comments

Laser Fault Injection on a Budget: RP2350 Edition

https://courk.cc/rp2350-challenge-laser
48•gregsadetsky•2d ago•14 comments

Show HN: Esp32sim – Run ESP32 firmware in the browser

https://github.com/mikroverk/esp32sim
128•joakimeriksson•12h ago•13 comments

Artie (YC S23) Is Hiring Enterprise AES and Senior Engineers

https://www.artie.com/careers
1•j-cheong•9h ago

Show HN: Llmspeed – feel how fast a local LLM runs before you buy the hardware

https://llmspeed.dev/
256•albinstman•22h ago•77 comments

Rendering pretty sky in Around The World game

https://frozenfractal.com/blog/2026/10/12/around-the-world-34-a-pretty-sky/
130•ibobev•1d ago•9 comments

Show HN: Parin – A 2D game engine between raylib and Godot, written in Dlang

https://github.com/Kapendev/parin
47•Kapendev•1d ago•9 comments

JDK 28

https://openjdk.org/projects/jdk/28/
67•ejboy•5h ago•32 comments

OpenCode Hacked: User credentials leaked

https://twitter.com/opencode/status/2111516673953935833
795•pranshuchittora•8h ago•145 comments

Vintage Cassettes: 1963-2010

http://vintagecassettes.com/
54•austinallegro•3d ago•9 comments
Open in hackernews

Zuckerberg's Meta Takes Down No Kings Instagram During Protest Day

https://meidasnews.com/news/zuckerbergs-meta-takes-down-no-kings-instagram-during-massive-protest-day
288•DeepLogin•1h ago

Comments

jleyank•1h ago
The internet routes around damage. If these social media companies prove they're favouring the government rather than their customers, hackers or AI will just replace them. Won't be as pretty, perhaps, but it won't block or snoop so much. These companies haven't built up any goodwill to protect them.
jethro_tell•56m ago
But, they have built up moats via generally unregulated anti-competitive behavior. Also of note, the ISPs are owned by the same class of people, they aren't routing around anything, they are taking our money and cashing checks.

Which would be praise worthy if it was a net neutrality stance, but it's not.

cisc•47m ago
> If these social media companies prove they're favouring the government

They favour themselves. And if to best position themselves they must suck up to the government then that's what they'll do. Every time.

> rather than their customers

Who do you think their customers are? They aren't the users. The users are the product, the cattle farmed by social media companies.

The customers are the advertisers. Advertisers don't want filthy protesters tarnishing their shiny brands.

DivingForGold•1h ago
Heh. Zuck got a call from "The King" and The King told him he better behave. Take down that site ... Zuck knows who holds the DOJ over his head ... and from where the money flows
jacquesm•1h ago
I don't know if you remember the inauguration photograph but it is pretty clear that this is one big family now.

To save you some searching:

https://www.gettyimages.nl/detail/nieuwsfoto's/guests-includ...

kevmo•47m ago
All of those people belong in prison.
jacquesm•45m ago
They do, but I stopped subscribing to the just world hypothesis a couple of decades ago. There is just too much broken and money has too much power to be reined in by justice.
ambione•33m ago
nah respectfully, to hell with this doomerism. these people and groups have names. their deeds have paper trails. For every single one of them, there's millions of us. It's a matter of sorting out the polluted discourse, remembering we have 99% more in common than otherwise, organizing, electing grassroots politicians who truly represent the people and our interests, and then finally holding them accountable through prosecution.
jacquesm•31m ago
I'll take that bet. $1000 that five years from now none of these fat cats are behind bars. I'm good for the money.
CuriouslyC•57m ago
Instagram is trash. Stop wasting your time.
k310•55m ago
From Indivisible [0]

> Today, amidst a historic day of thousands of rallies to mobilize early voting and fight against Trump’s election sabotage, Meta suspended the primary No Kings Instagram account without warning or reason.

> After intense backlash, Meta made the account visible again 90 minutes into the suspension, giving the appearance that everything was normal. But it blocked the account admin from posting for another three hours -- censoring the NO Kings coalition in the middle of today’s historic day of action.

[0]https://indivisible.actionkit.com/mailings/view/127823

jmclnx•55m ago
This is yet another reason people in the US needs to get out and vote. People need to come out in mass to take back their country. But since most people in the US are being deluded, I expect the US will never recover from Trump and the very rich.

And now for a big BS quote from the article, which we all know is false.

>There is no evidence at the moment that the suspension was politically motivated

Gualdrapo•45m ago
> I expect the US will never recover from Trump and the very rich.

The thing is that they are also dragging many other countries into that misery. Just look at here at Latin America.

prajaybasu•38m ago
> This is yet another reason people in the US needs to get out and vote. People need to come out in mass to take back their country.

Like what happened in 2024?

scotty79•55m ago
Is it surprising? Zuckerberg kissed the ring, did he not?
kevmo•46m ago
Zuckerberg is the ring.
honeycrispy•55m ago
It's weird to me to protest no kings now when 2020-21 is still so fresh in the mind. The circumstances of today pale in comparison.
spolitry•45m ago
I have no idea what you are trying to dog whistle
xvxvx•54m ago
Do people actually expect these companies to be fair and impartial? Seriously, you may as well have a No Kings account on Truth Social while you’re at it.
mung•45m ago
Yes, yes I do. that should be the standard.
jlarocco•13m ago
We're talking about the dorm room project of a rich kid who stole the idea from his friends and thinks his users are "dumb f**s".

There's really no reason to expect anything from Meta except for it to do what's best for Zuckerburg.

kurtoid•54m ago
I'm fairly certain that page is AI-written - see the paradium link in the footer
dingaling911•53m ago
And during Biden they took down COVID "conspiracy theorists" who were eventually proven correct.

Do not get mad at companies who just need to survive to the next admin without any more issues.

Edit: see how well the brainwashing worked below.

josho•48m ago
I'm sorry what⁉ what covid conspiracy theory has been proven correct?
dingaling911•48m ago

  1. Origin
  2. Vax did nothing for the most part
  3. Lockdowns were bs
runarberg•44m ago
1. Covid had a natural origin and spread from a wet market in Wuhan, China

2. Most vaccines were effective and helped reduced the severity of Covid. Vaccines saved lives.

3. Lockdowns were extremely effective in slowing down the spread of the virus in its initial stages, before we had enough life-saving vaccines to protect the most vulnerable from the virus. Lockdowns saved millions of lives.

pasta67•23m ago
1. Lol. The virus was related to bats that live 1000 miles from Wuhan. The main issue is that China lied when people already were dead from Covid.

2. Vaccines were completelly ineffective. Virus adapted much faster and became less lethal - as expected. Or rather immunity of organism of people stopped overreact to something that was never lethal, unless you had no immunity. Sweden is top example of how to deal with covid by doing nothing. My home country vaccinated over 80% population and had the highest fatality rate per population from blood clots mainly. Corruption kills people.

3. Lockdowns were too late. Because of China. Lockdowns for various reasons did not work - healthy looking people were spreading covid for months before and during lockdown - it seems that you still do not realize that major part of people got through covid without life threatening complications.

dmix•53m ago
(for 90 minutes)

Which reminds me of this month's HN post about Lula's FB account getting taken down https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49864642 , which turned out to only be for a couple hours after some content post got auto-flagged, before being restored by Meta. But the HN thread was a long discussion about it being a conspiracy by the US government to conduct election interference in Brazil.

ImPostingOnHN•48m ago
the article already specified that the group was banned during the early 90 minutes of the march, and organizers were banned from posting for several hours during it as well.

what do you think you're adding by repeating what the article said? you emphasize 90 minutes as if that makes it okay (obviously it does not).

also, the other example you cited of Facebook disproportionately blocking left-wing political causes lasted for several weeks[0], not several hours.

0: https://novaramedia.com/2026/09/28/facebook-blocks-lulas-cam...

dmix•44m ago
> what do you think you're adding by repeating what the article said?

That auto-moderation of social media always has false positives like this? This was always a predictable outcome from aggressively moderating social media with algorithms. Humans only ever get involved after the fact (in this case after 90 minutes).

The only reason this is newsworthy is that the media could spin it as some sort of intentional move by humans at Meta, without evidence, because it happened to vaguely coincide with some event date. Otherwise this happens every single day if you search social media for "my account was suspended".

ImPostingOnHN
gfody•53m ago
Careless People by Sarah Wynn-Williams was a great read, highly recommend
kingcauchy•32m ago
Also Dark Money by Jane Mayer
weknowbetter•52m ago
I'm literally begging people to start using the Fediverse at this point.
fullshark•48m ago
It doesn't have what people want (an audience)
noosphr•43m ago
And we replace one tyrant for dozens. It's not much of an improvement.
creata•29m ago
I don't know much about the Fediverse, but if you can easily move your account or data from one tyrant to another (and it looks like you can) then that is a huge improvement.
superkuh•29m ago
What the big social networks provide is the ability to transact money. No distributed non-corporation system can ever provide the money flows that make people use corporate social networks. Or, they can, but the instant they do they're legally attacked and destroyed. So no independent/distributed network can ever really draw those people who make up the majority who are chasing money or following those who chase money. The audience won't exist.
augment_me•40m ago
No-one cares, peoples family and friends are not on the Fediverse.

My realization that it was cooked was when I was doing my comp sci PhD where everyone in our group fully understood the implications of data, dependency, ads, surveillance capitalism but 3 out of 20 agreed to download Signal instead of WhatsApp/Messenger.

You are asking for too much sadly.

Barrin92•52m ago
with the next change of administration there needs to be an investigation into every single one of these techbros and a Roosevelt treatment of the tech sector and corporate power.

You've got to hand it to Thiel, at least like other people of questionable political persuasion he's already fled to Argentina, gonna get crowded there in the future

finebalance•52m ago
I wonder if these free-speech absolutists will rail about this? Something tells me probably not.
wisty•46m ago
Why would pro free speech people be right wing?
noosphr•44m ago
Because for the last 10 years anyone who was pro free speech was called a fascist in the US.
0dayz•39m ago
Okay? That doesn't say much about what they do today nor if you are against this censorship.
saelthavron•16m ago
It wasn't censorship. Their activity hit a limit and triggered an automated suspension.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/meta-says-suspe...

gelly321•17m ago
Free speech is not freedom from free speech being used against you. You don't just get to say what you want and everyone else shuts up about it. How absolutely myopic do you have to be to think this way?
jmclnx•50m ago
From the wayback machine, I could not get into the linked article:

https://web.archive.org/web/20261018012124/https://meidasnew...

jauntywundrkind•49m ago
Mundus Sine Caeasaribus. https://www.sfchronicle.com/entertainment/article/mark-zucke...
throwaway1492•49m ago
> Free speech for me but not for thee

Tiktok banned the account promoting a Musk documentary too. Oh how the cookie crumbles!

https://www.theverge.com/tech/1013453/tiktok-bans-alex-gibne...

user982•48m ago
Strange how this keeps happening to Meta:

"Meta employees said Lula's accounts were hindered during Brazil election, Folha reports" (https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/meta-employees-said-l...)

  Meta employees acknowledged in internal communications that the Instagram accounts of Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva were hindered by restrictions during the country's election, newspaper Folha de S.Paulo reported on Friday, citing messages it reviewed.

  The messages also acknowledged the platform recommended the profile of challenger Senator Flavio Bolsonaro, as well as his WhatsApp channel, according to the report.

  Meta said the technical issues cited in the report were already public and the conversations it referenced related solely to the severity of the issues, not political interference. "Any suggestion that Meta favors one side is false," it added in a statement
paulsutter•47m ago
The good news is that the protests are working. Number of kings holding steady at zero.
spolitry•46m ago
What is the value on trolling like this?
nfw2•25m ago
what is the value of asking the value of trolling, you have a downvote
kevmo•47m ago
Countdown til this gets taken down.
awacs•46m ago
Oh the days of watching Silicon Valley and loving this crazy, but quirky but seemingly good intentioned industry to work in. Maybe this is who they always were, but either way, how many billions do these CEOs need in exchange for the good of society is the question I ask.
jacquesm•44m ago
> Maybe this is who they always were

Absolutely. But they were super good at getting smart people to pull their carts.

tdeck•23m ago
Soon they won't need to bother convincing people to work on their software, or at least that's the dream.
johnnyApplePRNG•45m ago
The balls on this Zuck, I tell ya ... grinds my gears.
HeavenFox•44m ago
Look, as much as we hate Meta... doesn't Hanlon's razor apply here - "never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"? Could it be that the account triggered some automated system?
runarberg•38m ago
Marx’ counter-Razor: Never attribute to stupidity that which is adequately explained by class interest.
tomrod•35m ago
Maybe if this was Dickson's party in 2008. A massive political event in 2026 is the hottest midterm to date? You can discount Hanlon's razor. It's not an infinite excuse any more than the book Infinite Jest was either unending or funny.
Veserv•15m ago
No. Hanlon’s razor explains that stupidity can cause the same amount of harm as intentional evil and is thus just as bad.

If harms are excused because they were not made with evil intentions then the Nazis who just liked making the numbers go up in a orderly fashion should be considered blameless.

biophysboy•11m ago
I am 99% sure it was an automated system false positive, but it is annoying that we all have to rely on these capricious systems. That is in itself a problem with massive scale platforms. It confirms my silly hot take that all online communities should not be bigger than 10k people. That keeps the number of bad eggs legible to an actual human moderator, and keeps the discussion less mob like
yieldcrv•42m ago
product liability means the product is the liability
WarmWash•41m ago
Ok, so what is the actual reason it was suspended?

Edit: They hit a rate limit and tripped an automated suspension.

qwerpy•6m ago
The bright minds here are busy posting Trump inauguration photos, trying to “gotcha” free speech advocates, and talking about prison time for tech CEOs. Quite the imagination these guys have!
ethin•41m ago
The (only) part of this that I find rather ironic (and kind of funny) is that these idiotic companies never seem to learn a thing. Nearly every single time they take something like this down, it just draws even more attention to it (the Streisand effect).
koolba•40m ago
> According to the organizers, Meta failed to respond to their team for approximately 90 minutes while the account was offline during the peak of their national day of action and livestream.

Is it really that unusual to contact a large tech company and not get a response for (egad!) 90 minutes?

dgoldstein0•40m ago
My bet is that some sort of auto ban logic kicked in, maybe due to abuse of reporting features. It'd if course be worse if a human moderator took it down or affirmed such a decision but not impossible.

Meta and other big tech usually over-relies on automated enforcement because it's easier on their wallets than hiring enough moderators to keep up in near-real time. And it's hella easy for a group of motivated people to coordinate flagging of content, which the automation often takes at face value.

Clearly having public spaces in private hands like this is tricky, as if we try to require better moderation that ends up to expensive, private interests will probably find a way to just kick anything controversial / political off their platforms.

motionlessveloc•14m ago
Agree, especially given the suspension only lasted 90 minutes.

If Meta actually wanted to deplatform the No Kings, they would nuke it permanently and handwave terrorism or national security or something. (See also, Reddit's long track record of nuking inconvenient subs like /r/TheDonald, back in the days when they were out of favor.)

james_david•13m ago
What evidence do you have that it was an autoban?
iAMkenough•6m ago
Hopefully it's a lesson learned by those involved.

Don't use platforms like this to organize in the future.

andersonmvd•34m ago
Meta is also influencing Brazil's election: https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/meta-employees-said-l... - other social networks as well.
plandis•31m ago
If Instagram is not a platform but instead an arbiter of speech they should be held legally liable what is said on the platform.
_heimdall•9m ago
They should be held accountable as long as they decide what to promote. If posts were still following a non-algorithmic approach of chronological listings for those you follow, seems like they shouldn't be held responsible.
tdeck•31m ago
Frankly I'm not sure why they would bother.

The organizers of No Kings may be well-intentioned, but the rallies themselves seem to be maximally engineered to make people feel like they've done their part resisting without materially affecting anything. Why would anyone in Trump's coalition feel threatened by them at this point?

jacquesm•28m ago
Ask Ceausescu.
tdeck•22m ago
Ceausescu was ousted by a permitted street protest that lasted a few hours as scheduled and then everyone went back to brunch?
benthecarman•29m ago
based
nfw2•2m ago
No one cares about these protests who isn't already voting blue. If anything it pushes the majority of people who find endless futile protests annoying. Shutting down the account intentionally is so politically stupid that it seems pretty plausible that it was algorithmically flagged.

Trump has done many genuinely scary things but shutting down a social media account then turning it back on 90 minutes later is not exactly sending tanks into Tiananmen Square.

tokioyoyo
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12m ago
I’ll add another $1000 in support. It’s funny/sad how fast things change, especially one’s values given the circumstances.
ambione•12m ago
you'd likely be right. I'm not contesting that. The world and its people have been utterly raped to ashes, yet the apocalyptic rapture the parties responsible have been building their doomsday shelters for has never and will never arrive. Instead from these ashes we are seeing change emerging. It's slow sure, and hell maybe it won't be enough, but the grassroots ARE giving the old corrupt institutions something to sweat about (on 'both sides' if you'd like to see it that way). People are increasingly having less and less to lose. Get informed. inform others. organize with them. build community with them. The weight we hold together outweighs the solipsistic vampires. Have hope even if it's irrational, that's when we need it most. materialize it. DO something with it - even if we don't get to enjoy the fruits that may come of it; at least those who come after us will, and that's worth something.
BorisMelnik•8m ago
I would also take that bet, but when the pain gets great enough people do come out and vote historically anyway
hackyhacky•27m ago
> For every single one of them, there's millions of us.

Yes, the ruling elite are typically outnumbered by the masses. It matters little: by historical standards, the ruling powers have virtually always leveraged their power to exploit those who don't have power. No reason to assume that streak will end.

stackghost•9m ago
Fascism has never been defeated without violence, but Americans are too complacent to rise up in arms, despite the societal gun fetish.

It’s over.

apsurd•4m ago
it’s sinister because I believe most of us (by definition) think of ourselves as part of the people but as one has ambitions and becomes capable, the pull of “success” spares nobody.

Flock is dystopian. It’s also non ironically pitched as solving crime. it’s also our friendly neighborhood YC company.

kcplate•24m ago
What law do you believe that they have broken?
jiggawatts•13m ago
Every AI company has flagrantly violated copyright, to begin with.

But that's not the point!

The point is that the laws are written by the oligarchs, for the oligarchs.

Laws are made to protect wealth and power, so of course the wealthy and powerful haven't "broken" them.

kevmo•12m ago
RICO, sexual assault of minors, treason, labor laws, drug laws, and probably a million other things.
Jcampuzano2•12m ago
Combined, their companies have broken basically every law in the book that you could when it comes to privacy and copyright.
gilrain•8m ago
What sort of lion lives in the sea?
thatsabadlook•39m ago
Loss of accountability and deregulation leads to oligarchy. If we are lucky, this will take decades to clean up.
zeven7•38m ago
How weird still that that is the world we live in now. I would have never predict that photograph 1 year before it was taken.
kevmo•27m ago
You should read A People's History of the United States!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_People%27s_History_of_the_Un...

calvinmorrison•25m ago
more fun, 'A Renegade History of the United States'
tfrancisl•13m ago
Down voted for suggesting the most salient analysis of US history. Sad!
derektank•27m ago
Well yeah, Donald Trump was threatening to imprison Zuck a year before it was taken
zeven7•5m ago
He also threatened to imprison Hillary Clinton. She wasn't at the inauguration.
jamienk•10m ago
They looks like degenerates - in the photo they really are sickeningly grotesque! It's not Felliniesque because they have their own, new style of hideousness: putrid, plastic, shiny, smug, weak, and radically vulgar!
yieldcrv•43m ago
you’re 6 years older and can’t understand the difference between slow down transmission and no transmission, with the former being the goal and that was successful in places with higher distancing and vaccination rates. can’t understand the difference between less severe symptoms versus none at all, with the former again being the goal

as a betting man, I bet you still don’t realize that every issue with the vaccine was a default issue with catching actual covid

pasta67•16m ago
During covid a lot of cancer patients died - for obvious reasons but you are going to repeat like a parrot complete bs.
dingaling911•10m ago
Hey man, they're never going to see it.

Just let it go. It's a religion now.

mung•42m ago
1. Origin is still not conclusive. 2. wtf. that is total bullshit, I'm not even going to bother with that. 3. I came from a country that locked down early for a month. We spend the following summer going to the beach and concerts while the rest of the world suffered on the news. Had other nations actually implemented such a policy quickly and properly, covid could have been controlled. But they didn't. They did it piecemeal.
dalemhurley•39m ago
There was about 50 different origin conspiracies.

Vaccine absolutely was proven to work in reducing deaths and building immunity in the community.

Lockdowns absolutely slowed the spread of COVID to allow the hospital systems to rationalise the limited PPE.

wonnage•39m ago
Pass the blunt my guy
Meekro•40m ago
"Proven" is too strong, but some COVID experts now consider the lab leak hypothesis plausible. It used to be that you could get banned from social media (mostly Facebook and pre-Musk twitter) for promoting it.
runarberg•12m ago
I was there and I remember this. Joe Biden was one of the people pushing the now completely debunked lab-leak conspiracy theory at the time. So no, you did not get banned. You had the president of the USA spreading the same bullshit as you.

It was a racist conspiracy theory back then as well, even when the president of the USA was pushing this crap.

dalemhurley•43m ago
Really? I missed the evidence that the vaccine was mind a controlled experiment linked to 5G funded by Bill Gates that killed everyone who had the vaccine within 6 months.
jacquesm•32m ago
Being dead would explain why I feel a bit tired lately.
bediger4000•42m ago
Come, come, my good sir! COVID conspiracy theorists proven correct? Did 5G phone signals activate tiny robots in the COVID vaccine? No. Does the COVID vaccine work? It's not 100% effective, but mortality data certainly shows that those vaccinated are less likely to die. Time to do some research, update your priors, my friend.
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39m ago
> That auto-moderation of social media always has false positives like this?

Only it doesn't. We don't see right-wing politicians being blocked on Facebook. No Bolsonaro blocking. Only left-wing political causes. Can you give some examples from the last couple years, of Facebook blocking right-wing candidates or right-wing mainstream political movements, immediate before an election?

> Humans only ever get involved after the fact (in this case after 90 minutes).

Several hours, not 90 minutes, but even then, that doesn't excuse it -- the human intervention should come before blocking of political causes. Moreover, this doesn't seem coincidental, given the above point of how infrequently and selectively it happens.

> The only reason this is newsworthy is

...because people find it newsworthy. Simple as that. Sorry if you personally prefer that it not be reported, personally I'd prefer that it didn't happen.

dmix•37m ago
So just to be clear your theory is Meta let some protest organize on their social media for years, then 90 minutes before one of their many protests start they'd take down a single page on only one of their platforms (Instagram), as a way to stop the protests from happening? Then Mark Zuckerberg told them to restore it within a short timeframe for plausible deniability?
ImPostingOnHN•34m ago
I go where the evidence points. Meta has not provided sufficient evidence to conclude that this was an accident. Given their track record of blocking left-wing political politicians and causes over the last couple years (and their even longer track record of malfeasance and deception), they do not have the benefit of the doubt, especially when they are not transparent about what happened.

The article makes it pretty clear: Left-wing political figures blocked from posting to facebook for several hours (not 90 minutes) right when the event occurred. Can't get much clearer than that. Then enough furor erupted to unblock them, or the event ended and then they were unblocked.

It fits with their track record, e.g. blocking/hampering Brazilian left-wing candidate communications for weeks until a court ordered them to stop. If you have a theory about both these things being an accident (while the corresponding right-wing causes were all conveniently given a pass), we're gonna need more evidence from you to back that theory.

dmix•29m ago
Strong claims need strong evidence. So the choices are between a) Some conjecture that a social media account was briefly taken down as part of a right-wing conspiracy by a major publicly traded US corporation OR b) yet another example in a long history of accounts being auto-flagged by overly-aggressive algorithms and then later being restored by a human moderator without proper transparency.
ImPostingOnHN•23m ago
Strong claims need strong evidence. So the choices are between:

a) oops, they accidentally blocked ONLY left-wing political candidates and causes right before an election, ever since the US started having a right-wing president with a track record of interfering in elections on behalf of right-wing causes, totally a coincidence, people, or

b) yet another example in a facebook's history of blocking left-wing political candidates and causes, right before an election, ever since the US started having a right-wing president with a track record of interfering in elections on behalf of right-wing causes

Obviously Facebook does not have the benefit of the doubt, given their long history of malfeasance, deception, and nontransparency, so A is a pretty strong claim, and thus we can go with B until you have evidence otherwise. I don't think anyone here on HN can say "I trust facebook to be honest and transparent, to admit, explain, and atone for their malfeasance, and to always make choices that best reflect the will of the people" with a straight face these days. In fact, we still don't even have transparency into the very incidents we're discussing (likely due to deception and malfeasance, if we're going based off past behavior and proper Bayesian priors).

Indeed, if it was actually an accident, then that means that after Facebook's Lula scandal, they had the opportunity to stop this sort of thing from happening, and made the choice not to do so. That was their choice, making it no longer an accident in this case. There's no escaping accountability for that choice.

Back to our earlier request: can you give some examples from the last couple years, of Facebook blocking major right-wing candidates or major right-wing mainstream political movements, immediately before an election? If it was just an accident, and these accidents happen all the time without respect for politics, we should expect to see an equal number of blocks applied to both sides in the same situation. Do we? I don't think so.

PaulDavisThe1st•14m ago
A judge in Brasil read the situation differently than you, it appears:

https://www.nbcnews.com/world/south-america/brazil-lula-wins...

and Meta employees have commented also:

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/meta-employees-said-l...

phendrenad2•5m ago
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rocketpastsix•26m ago
the learning curve to understanding the fediverse is too high for most people. They just want to log in, have everything in one place, and not care how it got there.
digestm•16m ago
Fediverse is fine, are there any other platforms that work around such censorship?
blueblazin•8m ago
The fediverse sucks and only people in their small tech bubbles don't seem to realize that the vast majority of people do not know or care about things like "federated social media".

We just need someone* to create a "WoW Classic" version of a social network so that we can get back on it and this time try to make it work. Social media is one of the worst things that has happened to humanity since the web was created. But it used to be good. So it's incomprehensible to me why no one has made a social networking site matching old facebook and without the awfulness added later.

* Maybe some of us can do it, send me a message.

morkalork•44m ago
Well when you put it like that, were right wing folks ever really pro free speech?
wisty•43m ago
Mostly no, but the people who ARE pro free speech (e.g. libertarians) have mostly found the right to be slightly more tolerant.
jameslk•38m ago
Kind of a weird comment to make. Are you admitting they were right, or are you supporting the right for platforms to censor?

Or are you trying to elicit emotions?

Capricorn2481•35m ago
It's not weird at all, it's pointing out most free speech absolutists just mean speech for themselves and their friends. Musk will be silent about this.
_heimdall•25m ago
Those aren't free speech advocates, and there is no absolutism with speech - you either have free speech or you don't.
tfrancisl•9m ago
Classic no true Scotsman. All the people who proclaim to be absolutists or advocates but dont meet my definition clearly are not.
_heimdall•7m ago
That makes no sense. Free speech is clearly defined, say what you want and the government has no authority to censor you. Anything short of that isn't free speech, and creating some middle ground between "free speech" and "absolutism" is nothing more than an attempt to move the goal posts.

What most people seem to miss is that companies like Facebook aren't the government and therefore aren't held to the standard of free speech. Signal ng up for an account and agreeing to their terms gives them authority to censor.

jameslk•18m ago
So wait… are you supporting Meta’s censorship here or not? Another weird comment

It just seems like these comments want to stir the pot

ThrowawayR2•17m ago
"Free speech absolutist" was a slur against anybody who spoke out against deplatforming as a dangerous idea, which included a lot of liberals. (The pro-deplatforming crowd are very much not liberals.)

Watching the pro-deplatformers get burned by their own illiberalism is very satisfying; watching some of them not having learned any lesson from it, doubly so.

Meekro•32m ago
Right winger and free speech absolutist here. I do condemn it. The fact that it was only for 90 minutes does somewhat lessen the blow, though.
howunfortunate•16m ago
The irony of your comment getting immediately flagged.
_heimdall•29m ago
I've never understood the phrase "free speech absolutist." We either have free speech or we don't, there is no in between.

I personally don't think hate speech should be illegal. If someone feels that way I'd rather know it and act accordingly than them keep it to themselves.

Others may well disagree with my view there and that's totally fine, but they do want limits to what one can say which means they don't want free speech.

Capricorn2481•27m ago
You probably shouldn't be able to threaten somebody or direct people to kill somebody, so I guess by your definition, I don't believe in free speech.
_heimdall•23m ago
Threats are the gray area. I don't view words as violent action, people can say whatever they want. A person acting on it is a different story, including preparations like a person collecting materials for a bomb or something like that.

I could care less if someone wants to say they're going to hurt me. My beef is when they actually try to do it.

koolba•9m ago
> I don't view words as violent action, people can say whatever they want.

Where does that put someone calling out a public hit? It is just words after all.

> I could care less if someone wants to say they're going to hurt me. My beef is when they actually try to do it.

They say there’s no atheists in foxholes.

_heimdall•5m ago
When you say "calling out a public hit" what do you mean exactly?

Vaguely saying "someone should" is very different from offering a bounty or plotting to do it yourself.

koolba•2m ago
Run the full range. From, “Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?” all the way to “10K to whoever takes out heimdall”.
slibhb•26m ago
What tells you that? Do you have evidence? Or just a vague sense that no one actually has any principles?

My experience is that, for the most part, the people who criticized woke censorship are also critics of the Trump administration and its lawlessness.

_heimdall•22m ago
I'd fall into this bucket. I both disagree with much of what people consider wokism and think Trump is a gigantic ass hat.
howunfortunate•20m ago
Have anyone in mind?

I feel completely certain folks like FIRE / Lukianoff will immediately and loudly condemn this.

I would bet very good money every right leaning pro-free speech justice will condemn this.

I would even bet money Elon would condemn it if pressed on the issue, but probably won't be loud about it (which is the technically correct PR since he owns a competitor).

Edit: I personally strongly condemn it as well, though admit to some small schadenfreude. It can be hard to believe when "the roles reversed" meme actually ends up happening. And I do expect this was a genuine automation mistake by Meta given the quick apology.

arealaccount•10m ago
I think you two are saying the same thing.

Elon (and others) will stay silent unless pressed on the issue, and even then it’s betting odds.

ThrowawayR2•15m ago
I condemn deplatforming regardless of who it's being done to.