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Matthew Prince on why Cloudflare offers a free version and always will

https://webmasters.stackexchange.com/questions/88659/how-can-cloudflare-offer-a-free-cdn-with-unlimited-bandwidth/88685#88685
31•thatslast•1h ago

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rtrgrd•53m ago
Could we add (2016) to be title?
Onavo•48m ago
Most people have forgotten just how cheap bandwidth is. Too much AWS lead cloud pricing propaganda brain rot. Without the high prices, your big clouds won't be able to afford 6-7 figs of engineering salary.

If you have questions about bandwidth pricing, just go to lookup the video piracy streaming sites that's almost completely powered by ads. They are not YouTube scale and most barely last a year before they have to come back with a new domain (because of deplatforming, not because they ran out of money).

A terabyte of bandwidth is maybe worth a dollar at scale (amortized globally, some places are more expensive than others i.e. Africa, certain parts of Asia). Yet the managed clouds gouge customers like there's no tomorrow.

versooth•23m ago
> just go to lookup the video piracy streaming sites that's almost completely powered by ads

They are often down, slow, or congested.

Impressive for their low revenue, but I'm not sure how relevant to cloud customers that want better quality than that.

And yes, I know cloud services are often down, slow, or unavailable, but it's a matter of degrees.

ronsor•16m ago
They're down, slow, and congested, but spend 1/10000th that companies shackled by big cloud do.

Are you saying that legitimate businesses cannot find something better for 1/100th the price instead?

thephyber•3m ago
CloudFlare and the hyperscalers are the reason bandwidth costs have dropped so dramatically.

I remember hearing from a CloudFlare founder not long after they raised an early round how they had to go around negotiating large peering contracts to make enough bandwidth available for their customers.

End users present like you can always drive up to the gas station and there will always be plenty to fill up your 10-20 gallon tank. But behind the scenes are massive distribution networks and a market making mechanism.

Also I don't buy your premise that illegal video streaming only make money on ads. I'm under the impression they also sell access to a lot of viewer's machines to companies that want to crawl the web and appear to come from lots of residential ISP nodes.

EGreg•45m ago
It isn’t just free. It’s effectively anonymous.

Most hosting (eg AWS) requires you to say who you are, provide a lot of ID. I think some don’t at first (eg Azure, Hetzner) but eventually you need to pay via a credit card, include your actual name etc.

With Cloudflare, you literally only need an email address. It continues to be free.

The second best is Hostinger, where you can pay with crypto.

Github pages is great too, but you don’t really get all the power to customize your own website.

theanonymousone•45m ago
> In 2015, our employment acceptance rate was 1.6% ...

What does that mean? That 1.6% of their offers were accepted by candidates? If some doesn't seem very high...

multifasciatus•38m ago
From the context, my interpretation is that he is saying “We make job offers to 1.6% of applicants”.
asadm•34m ago
Cloudflare is exclusively what I use for any infra work I do (and I do a lot for various projects and startups of my own/others I advice). If something doesn’t fit cloudflare primitives, I try to rethink my design before reaching for gcloud etc.

They even do docker containers now which is great but durable objects and workers are game changer for me.

The easy nextjs deployment is also my go-to now that vercel isn’t my preferred vendor.

ArcHound•4m ago
Look, this is a great business strategy.

The first point is data for a reason - the amount of traffic they see enables them to train models with capabilities beyond what the competition can do.

With free tiers it's harder for competition to break into market as they'll need to convince customers that they are getting more for the money than Cloudflare offers for free. Then see point one about data.

Sadly, this creates a choke point for the internet. When Cloudflare is down, "nothing" works. This used to be a problem, but if you're big enough, it's treated like a weather event. See AWS us-east-1 outages, I doubt anyone was compensated for the outage.

So yeah, Cloudflare has a great position.

What worries me is that AI data endpoint they're crafting. I don't think it's good idea that anyone has a hold of that much data.

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