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Canadians are running out of time to oppose Bill C-22

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2026/10/canadians-are-running-out-time-oppose-dangerous-c-22-surveillance-bill
102•hn_acker•19h ago

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FLeXMurphy•1h ago
Love this. Looking forward to a private keys being `4` because the govt needs it that way.
bluefirebrand•1h ago
I'm Canadian, and this matters a lot to me, but people don't care

The culture here is so mired in political apathy that it feels futile to even bother. People just do not care at all

I'm not a huge activist but I have been involved in a number of things when they matter a lot to me over the past twenty years or so, starting in college, but not a single one of them has ever gone my way

I'm unemployed now and worried I'm going to have an incredibly hard time ever finding work in software again, and AI is taking over, and here I am. Defeated again

I don't have it in me to fight this stuff anymore. The machine has won against me at least

allthetime•57m ago
Sounds like you’re just as apathetic as those you despise.

Watching our provinces fall one by one to corrupt/kleptocratic “conservative” governments has certainly done a number on me, but it’s only made me more vocal and more involved in local advocacy.

All that apathy out there is an opportunity to awaken care and turn the tide.

Get off your ass and help.

bigyabai•49m ago
Well, I'm American, and I watched my peers lose this fight 10+ years ago.

I was in school when the Snowden leaks came around, and asked dozens of students and teachers what they thought about it. The majority of them had no idea what had happened, some even outright rejecting it as a foreign smear campaign. A handful of people showed interest, but lost interest when there was no connection to aliens or the Bermuda triangle. My freedom-loving cohort was too preoccupied with YouTube, Twitter and Instagram for it to matter.

Fast forward to today, you're probably running USA-designed spyware on whatever computer and phone you import from America. Canada already belongs to FIVE EYES, your mobile handset market is almost entirely captured by pushover US corporations that backdoor Push Notifications and rename lakes apropos of nothing.

No matter what happens with this bill, the threat of surveillance will loom long over Canadians. Political motivation is important, but trusting the United States is an albatross on the neck.

joshdavham•56m ago
I’m also Canadian and I don’t share your pessimism at all.

The people I know are not apathetic and I’m sorry that things don’t go your way politically, but that’s life. For example, the recent Vancouver election didn’t go my way - big whoop.

petcat•1h ago
> also expand the sharing of Canadians’ personal data with foreign law enforcement, including the United States. Canada has been negotiating a cross-border data-sharing agreement with the U.S. that would allow American police to get information about Canadian internet users without any Canadian court oversight.

This is actually even more amazing to me that with all the talk of data sovereignty, the EU and Canada are still negotiating reciprocal Cloud Act treaties that will give the US government warrantless access to basically all digital services and communications. The UK and Australia have already codified these agreements with the US.

Trump's loud mouth brought these issues to the forefront, but really it seems like everyone is just waiting for it to blow over when he's gone in 2 years and then it's back to usual.

sandworm101•46m ago
>> everyone is just waiting for it to blow over when he's gone in 2 years and then it's back to usual.

Trump is the symptom, not the disease. It will not go back to normal. US politics has changed. The US people have changed. There won't be a Trump 2.0 but there will be other equally horrible leaders. Maybe not the next president, but likely the one after that. Canada must adapt to the new realty rather than deny and wait.

bvan•40m ago
Exactly. If it’s happened once, it will happen again.
sellmesoap•38m ago
I wonder why the Canadian government would share citizens data with the u.s. while all this 51st state talk and terrif stuff is going on, does Canada get access to Americans data in return?
petcat
motohagiography•55m ago
This govts to attitude to the dignity of its citizens is demoralizing. I have more hope in the outcome of a US annexation than I do for any significant positive policy direction. it’s done. Bureaucracy has triumphed and there’s nothing to save.
joshdavham•54m ago
Be the change you want to see in the world! If you disagree with this bill don’t sit idle!
betaby•33m ago
I too receive auto-replies from my MP.
kennywinker•29m ago
I have an MP i can reliably count on to vote against bullshit like this, which means i have nobody who is accountable to me to write emails to.
betaby•17m ago
Liberal MPs are going to vote as party says without exceptions. Aslos this https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/liberal-star-candidate-...
slopinthebag•25m ago
there is literally nothing people can do. the party in charge has a majority government and a media biased enough to sell this bill as a positive thing.

the only thing that could make a difference is if apple, whatsapp, and instagram all blocked canadians from using those services. the liberal party and the media would still find a way to blame trump for it, and the pm's popularity would increase.

matteoraso•48m ago
It's very rare for the senate to kill a bill. I would say that we alreadt ran out of time.
wmchen•10m ago
You're not wrong, the unelected senate generally chooses to defer to the elected lower chamber and this has only really been broken for extremely contentious legislation (think abortion and climate change).

Generally the Canadian Senate will propose amendments to the bill after its study, but the lower chamber has no obligation to agree, so it has some sway in that consultative sense. And the Senate has been more active in proposing amendments to legislation after independent senators became a thing.

FLeXMurphy•39m ago
I remember a few people who opposed this bill, including a Canadian professor of law/lawyer Michael <something>, who wanted to oppose this. What happened to that? HN had blog posts about it I believe.
slopinthebag•29m ago
michael geist. yes pretty much everybody knowledgeable about this bill, regardless of political stripes are against this bill. except for the party in power.

the media spends almost all of their time attacking the opposition leader instead of the current pm (who has a majority gov), so people are unfortunately quite under informed on c22 and other things the gov is doing.

creaturemachine•26m ago
CPC should take down the punching bag if they're tired of it being used.
slopinthebag•22m ago
really insightful comment.
slopinthebag•38m ago
the largest voting block in canada (seniors) aren't really capable of understanding this issue let alone prioritizing it. in fact, for liberal voters the only thing they care about is opposing and antagonizing trump, or at least the appearance of doing so. keeping housing unaffordable is a distant second priority.

so bills like this will continue to go through since the liberals have a majority and the PMs popularity counterintuitively goes up as things go from bad to worse. im finding it hard to have any motivation to oppose this bill since resistance seems to be futile.

the dark liberal decade gets longer and darker in canada.

drop_star•26m ago
goofy take IMO
EmbarrassedHelp•34m ago
If the bill isn't dramatically changed or killed, all the major messaging services along with tons of other services will end up blocking Canada.
loufe•27m ago
I'm not sure what more to do then to annoy my friends and family and speak with my MP (done), who had already voted against it. Canada's political system seems healthy compared to the USA, but it doesn't feel healthy objectively.
slopinthebag•22m ago
it's not healthy, even compared to the states. it's just not crazy like the states.
ActionHank•11m ago
So let's assume it goes forward, what are my options to maintain privacy?
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29m ago
> does Canada get access to Americans data in return?

It probably is reciprocal, but in reality Canadian companies sell very little (if any) digital services to Americans. There isn't much they can even access. It's why the arrangement is so lopsided.

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