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France asked ISPs to prepare temporary DNS blocks for major social platforms

https://www.blast-info.fr/articles/2026/information-exclusive-blast-le-premier-ministre-a-prepare-la-coupure-des-reseaux-sociaux-pour-le-24-octobre-9D8cgrU5S5iiW14Sb9nMzQ
75•noplay•1h ago

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goodcake3963•1h ago
This is dystopian.
vachina•59m ago
Meta’s content algo is engineered for sensationalism. It inherently encourages instability.
pasc1878•56m ago
For more on the algorithm not being good

https://www.panamericandispatch.org/p/meta-ignores-brazilian...

petcat•55m ago
People socializing at all inherently encourages instability for the government.
goda90•26m ago
Not if the government is for, by, and of the people.
drstewart•55m ago
Wait till you read some of the far left or right newspapers and leaflets in France. Why aren't those being banned?
aziaziazi•45m ago
Instability isn’t a bad thing through, that’s what drives progress.

Want more stability? Shut down medias for a year before any elections to "smooth" the public debate.

boesboes•32m ago
Lol
pjc50•1h ago
During the 2011 London riots, there were proposals to ban Blackberry.
JdeBP•49m ago
That phrase ending 'plus c'est la même chose' seems apposite here. (-:

Mike Butcher later retracted xyr call to shut off Blackberry Messenger. The other person who called for it was David Lammy, MP.

* https://techcrunch.com/2011/08/11/absolute-explosion-how-bla...

ButlerianJihad•48m ago
Isn’t that sort of ironic, because BlackBerry was used disproportionately by government and corporate clients? Wouldn’t a ban basically cut off the very people who should have been favoured?
mosura•44m ago
At the time all the kids were on BBM and the businesses had moved to iOS.
JdeBP•36m ago
It was one journalist and the local MP for Tottenham posting, on social media, calls to disable Blackberry Messenger, not some formal government white, or even green, paper. It certainly was not a sitting government official (Sébastien Lecornu) calling several ISPs together and asking them to get ready to do this and to keep the plans secret.

The journalist was Mike Butcher. Both xe and at least one other journalist, Paul Lewis of The Graduian, had been watching the BBM traffic. Butcher pointed out that the authorities had seemingly missed people coördinating riot activity there, posted on Twitter about it, and later retracted xyr post.

* https://www.theguardian.com/uk/blog/2011/aug/08/london-riots...

The MP for Tottenham was David Lammy.

shevy-java•58m ago
Censorship.

I am all for eliminating the antisocial media and the billionaires behind them as well, but I fail to see how censorship fixes anything.

wtch98•53m ago
When people are rioting for things that didn't happen, because they think they did, because of messages being sent to them by an enemy, then you stop that enemy.
aziaziazi•17m ago
Although the current riots precisely start because stuff that did not happen: having a stable teacher (or at all) for the courses they’re suppose to study.
maxwellito•54m ago
Can we have this worldwide and forever?
Zenul_Abidin•52m ago
Hahahaha

Good luck France.

You'd think a 1st world country would know about VPNs but not this one

grodriguez100•48m ago
Not implying I agree with the decision, but I don’t think VPNs make this less effective. VPNs may be used by what, 0.1% of all users?
archargelod•43m ago
Blocking popular websites is certainly going to boost this number, dramatically.
spwa4•15m ago
France has been blocking a lot of websites, some quite popular, since at least the Nappster wars and has expanded and expanded and expanded. Recent victims are Z-library, Anna's archive, a lot of satellite TV viewing websites, illegal streaming websites, ...

Of course reasons to block websites has expanded dramatically, especially into the political realm. For political examples, websites collecting video evidence police actions during protests "Copwatch Nord Paris I-D-F", a lot of extreme-right websites (some arguably not very extreme), VPNs, oh and "right-to-be-forgotten" stuff (blocking a number of groups who published details on important French and EU political figures, generally failing to achieve their goal. For a high profile example, ex-president Nicolas Sarkozy used internet censorship to hide evidence of fraud, but got convicted anyway. There's also the example of ... I don't like to agree with the extreme right on anything, BUT, it is sadly absolutely true that LFI (a far left political party, or whatever you want to call leftists that, while absolutely not tankies, are not particularly opposed to using violence to achieve their aims. I think that's fair to say) is using internet censorship laws for everything from protecting their members to silencing even internal criticism. Of course it is ALSO true RN commits far more problematic violence)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_France

mosura•46m ago
“liberticide”

Parfait.

sjdh76•45m ago
Social media permits Broadcasting for Free. One to All messaging. For all other media - radio, satellite, tv, phones broadcasting requires licenses. Why?

Cuz Claude Shannon told us if everyone broadcasts on the same frequency noise increases and no one hears anything forcing them into broadcasting at higher and higher power or repeating their messages more and more. Which again increases noise. So Broadcasting has always been licensed and regulated. That solved the Noise problem because people were forced to coordinate use of broadcast spectrum.

Social media platforms act as if Shannon doesn't apply. So they do exactly what Shannon predicted. Everyone is broadcasting. No one can be heard clearly. People scream louder and louder. The loudest get locked into arms races. Repeat their messages more and more. At the end of it all Noise hasnt reduced and who gets attention from one day to the next is unpredicatble. And since Platforms dont want to talk about Shannon we are all stuck in some kind of red queen dynamic. People are expending lot of energy. Results are all temporary and unpredictable.

kaonwarb•38m ago
Are you suggesting that governments should regulate platforms more, like they do physical spectrum?
sjdh76•23m ago
I dont know the solution. But I think Shannon is being brushed under the carpet. Noise levels and random outcomes speak for themselves.
bricss•30m ago
You mixing broadcast band physical phenomenon with censorship.
elashri•44m ago
As someone who lived the first Internet block due to protests with similar demands. This feels refreshing and prove that regimes response to wide spread protests they don’t like is not that different.

But please don’t call it European spring.

jareklupinski•13m ago
great idea! enjoy Euro Spring :)
MadrasThorn•4m ago
I mean it's europes fall right now not spring
nomilk•25m ago
Why not just allow genuinely peaceful protests and take stern police/legal action against all other forms of protest? I don't understand the logic behind cutting access to communications platforms. Seems like an indirect or roundabout way of solving the problem.
alex43578•21m ago
Because very often the "peaceful protest" provides cover to rioting/looting/property destruction, and it's a lot easier to say/enforce no assembling on the street at 11pm on a Friday as part of a curfew, than to leave a carveout for assembling on that street for a "peaceful protest".
NorthernGulch•15m ago
Genius idea!
nomilk•8m ago
The way France is overcomplicating things feels analogous PG's story about how founders sometimes do the same:

> So many of the conversations partners have with founders begin with the founders saying a sentence that begins with "how do I.." and the partner answering with a sentence that begins with "just".

i.e. Often the most absurdly simple solution is the best one.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ii1jcLg-eIQ&t=654s

masfuerte•8m ago
That's how it works. Until there's so much rioting the police can't deal with it. What should happen then? Cutting communications seems like a pretty good idea.
lesspassiveobse•21m ago
Seems like he really wants to limit the spread of videos showcasing the behaviour of the protesters, and their backgrounds... This goes hand in hand with his pathetic speech about how it's all fake news and AI.
dist-epoch•16m ago
Collateral damage
gregor123915•20m ago
It seems French society will soon embark on the path to total VPNization. Once the government gets a taste of blocking Internet resources, it won't stop.
sylware•19m ago
Real rioters will dive into no-DNS internet communication. Most internet protocols were designed with DNS independence in mind (read the email RFC, email addresses can have IP literals instead of DNS names which is of paramount importance, which I use BTW).

Namely, in the end, they will have to switch off telecommunication as a whole... well, if they are not interested in gathering intelligence about the rioters.

And then real rioters will have 'mesh communication devices', and then govs will need EM jammers too.

Sooo... govs should work on good and wide spread EM jammers instead of trying to to block DNS...

Sopel•15m ago
title says DNS, article says access, so which is it?
ButlerianJihad•16m ago
Has Mike Butcher expressed an alternative gender ID to you, or a desire to be addressed by bizarre neo-pronouns? Rather than "he/him" as written in his Wikipedia article? Or is this some idiotic affectation of your own devising?
embedding-shape•41m ago
> VPNs may be used by what, 0.1% of all users?

Probably, since not many of us in Europe don't have lots of use cases for them, yet.

But things like our (Spain's) "internet shall not be 100% available during La Liga football matches" or our neighbors thinking of blocking DNS to stop political activism, surely will continue to make this number raise, albeit slowly.

kaonwarb•36m ago
~20% in France, by one estimate (https://browsec.com/en/blog/vpn-usage-statistics)
throw9393793•46m ago
"Students" from 3th world do not know about VPNs.
latexr•43m ago
I know there’s a subsection of the internet who for some reason believe VPNs are the solution to everything and better than sliced bread, but VPNs are absolutely unnecessary (and frankly overkill) for these types of blocks. All you have to do is change the DNS service on your machine, which is trivial even for non-technical users and unlike a VPN doesn’t disrupt anything about your computer usage.
aziaziazi•25m ago
Can I change the DNS on my iPhone? I know how to do that with a computer but not iPhones. Androids are probably easier to set up.
elashri•11m ago
You can install an app like 1.1.1.1 to use Cloudflare and there are many apps that will do it for generic DNS. Or manually but you will need to create DNS Profile and install it. It is not hard to generate one, but it is usually used for encrypted DNS which you should be using anyway.
jeroenhd•35m ago
And that's how VPNs are banned through DPI.

And yes, you can in theory install the same software used to punch through the Chinese firewall, but if it doesn't appear in the app store or google play, your new VPN is as good as dead.

There are no technical solutions to political and social problems.

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