"Still"? I mean if someone believed that LLMs would result in AGI, why would he change his opinion? Did something happen? I mean the progress generally exceeded expectations so far so your P(AGI) should increase, not decrease. This rant doesn't apply if you did not believe that LLM can result in AGI from the beginning of course.
If "the market" believes this, I'd love for "the market" to explain to me how they think this works in practice.
Like if Anthropic hits AGI on Monday, what stops Google or OpenAI from hitting AGI on Tuesday?
There is no substantial difference in capabilities between any of these models, they are all doing the tiniest little leapfrogs over each other from release to release.
Even if the market thinks this leads to AGI, there is no reason to believe any secret magic exists that makes one of them reach AGI without the rest hitting AGI nearly immediately after.
A_D_E_P_T•1h ago
Think about it. Google's latest Gemini AI is just behind Anthropic's best offering -- or, in fact, it may be slightly superior. Google also has dozens of other mature, cash-cow businesses, massive infrastructure, their own hardware accelerators, an army of smart technical staff... and leadership that, for all its faults, isn't a literal cult.
Anthropic has a top-tier LLM among other top-tier LLMs. Claude is great, but not unique. Anthropic has effectively no other assets, many genuine liabilities, a downright bizarre wet-lab venture, and leadership that's... well...
So, the way I see it, either Google is massively undervalued, or Anthropic's IPO is massively overvalued. Am I somehow off base here?
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jmyeet•14m ago
1. AI. $26T total addressable market ("TAM");
2. Broadband: $1.6T TAM, split roughly 50-50 between fixed and mobile broadband; and
3. Space: $370B TAM.
In 2025, this resulted in revenue of $18.67B and a loss of $2.6B. Those aren't trillion dollar company numbers.
Now TAM is a bit of a fake number but how it's used and the relative values can reveal useful information.
The first is that space launches do not remotely justify the valuation. It's just not a massive market.
The second is that the company is burning moeny like there's no tomorrow on AI.
Lastly, getting back to your point, I believe that mobile broadband is an interesting opportunity but how big is an open question. You'll still need to comply with regulators in every country you offer service, just like all the mobile telcos do, and I don't know if it's cheaper to build and maintain ground-based towers vs Starlink satellites that have a projected lifespan of 5-6 years. Also, how many do you need? Coverage over Siberia is of limited value. Dense population centers are your primary source of customers.
I believe SpaceX would be a significantly better company if it had stuck to space launches and Starlink. It would be worth a lot less but AI might kill it through all the debt. Of course, Elon needed to do that to rescue his own disastrous Twitter than xAI "investments".
[1]: https://microventures.com/dissecting-spacex-s-1
Zigurd•4m ago
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echelon•26m ago
The old moats are falling. The old rent seekers are losing their sway.
You love to see it.
alfiedotwtf•56m ago
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wpietri•24m ago
Of course, things like jetpacks and flying cars also have had that feeling. As well as Stephenson's metaverse.
Spivak•21m ago
I'm somewhat inclined to give it to them at this point, I mean it's artificial, general in the sense that it can complete tasks it wasn't programmed for, and intelligent enough I guess. I mean if there was a planet with creatures at the level of LLMs we'd probably call it intelligent life—used in that way we're not really implying the creatures are particularly smart. With AGI out of the way we would at least have to be more specific on what the sci-fi dream actually entails.
password54321•51m ago
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jmyeet•35m ago
Consider the primary use case for Anthropic: coding. Well, if you're using Claude Code or some variant, you can easily use OpenRouter to simply use whatever free tokens you can get. You may not even care what LLM you're using under the hood for a given task.
That's simply not a trillion dollar moat.
Can Anthropic jack up the prices? No. There are alternatives. There are open weight models that you can run on cloud platforms and increasingly you can run them locally. Local LLMs are going to be incredibly accessible in 3-5 years. Even now you can run Flash models on something you can buy from Apple. The inference is a lot slower compared to cloud usage but that'll change.
I see the Anthropic IPO as an effort to cash out before it all comes crashing down.
pestatije•46m ago
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CharlieDigital•16m ago
I use Paseo and there is a noticeable difference when GPT-6.1 Sol is driving the orchestrator vs Opus/Sonnet 5.5 driving the orchestrator. Anthropic models ignore the shared system prompt to use the Paseo tools for sub-agents and prefer to use its own native sub-agents. It ignores the skills mentioned in the system prompt, but will use them if I explicitly tell it to in a user prompt or I extra emphasize the instruction in an XML fenced block in the system prompt or CLAUDE.md like <BOOTSTRAP_MUST_EXECUTE_AT_START>
Sometimes, I feel like I have to explicitly prompt Anthropic models to behave the way I want it to (even with system prompts in place with the EXACT instruction). Sometimes it even feels like it's disregarding CLAUDE.md. To me, this makes me feel like it is the less compliant of the two because I constantly feel like I have to steer it manually.
That said, I prefer Anthropic models generally only when the task is more open ended and exploratory. The Anthropic models' "mind of their own" benefits here; GPT models tend to be too agreeable; and you too eager to agree with any change in direction. But for actual coding once a direction/plan is in place, I would much rather delegate it to GPT (more likely to draw on the harness for context, skills, instructions, and tools).
Anthropic's 1m context window default and shorter cache TTL are also not great in agentic flows where an agent could become idle and then re-activated. Burns tokens very quickly. I have it tuned down to 300k across all models (recommend doing this for multi-agent coding).
A_D_E_P_T•12m ago
4-Carbon is, per benchmarks, said to be superior to Opus 5.5 at coding.
At general tasks -- search, medical, interfacing with maps and mail, planning, etc. -- the Google models are already superior.
jmyeet•27m ago
Additionally, Google is very good at building and managing data centers (including their own networking hardware) and they even have alternatives to NVidia through their longstanding TPU hardware. It can't compete with NVidia's best offerings for sure but it gives them a path to independence.
I believe SpaceX will be merged with Tesla at some point when things turn south. OpenAI? I don't know what their future is. These mega-IPOs just seem like desperate attempts to cash out before it all comes crashing down.
The real problem is that there is no moat. Chinese labs have seen to that. And I believe that it's the policy of the Chinese government that nobody, especially a US tech company, ends up "owning" or "winning" the AI race.
And on the hardware front, China is building their own alternatives as they've been forced to develop EUV/DUV lithography from scratch [1].
I just don't see how OpenAI, Anthropic and SpaceX survive. Then again, Tesla shouldn't survive either but here we are. As they say, the market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.
[1]: https://www.reuters.com/world/china/how-china-built-its-manh...
augment_me•12m ago
Its either AGI, or a robbery beyond behavioral data and the whole internet that can make the AI labs win. I dont even know what such a robbery would look like, would perhaps be just making the most advanced hacking tool and then holding the rest of the world and banks hostage.
Zigurd•12m ago
The cult definitely has some Jonestown overtones: the singularity is coming so things so mundane as a bond rating are of no concern. One way or the other.
azan_•9m ago