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Ask HN: Stripe closed us after one $1,500 invoice and never asked for evidence

44•snirgbs•3h ago
We're a small business that sells pre-booked appointments with homeowners to local contractors, billed per appointment that actually happens.

Our first client agreed to this on a recorded call and saved his card through a $1 Stripe payment link, which we planned to use for billing later. That $1 payment went through.

A few weeks later we invoiced him $1,500 for 3 completed appointments and charged the saved card. Stripe blocked the payment. Two days after that the account was closed with this wording: payments "don't appear to have been authorized by the customer."

What happened next:

- We appealed through the Dashboard with an appeal letter, our company documents and the invoice. It was rejected the next day as an "unacceptable level of risk."

- Support told us our "business model presents a level of risk we're unable to support" and that the decision is final.

- After a Stripe employee escalated it internally, we got a short email saying Stripe still won't accept payments for our business.

In all of this, nobody asked us for the call recording, our messages with the client, or a confirmation from the client himself. As far as we know, he never disputed anything, and he has told us he is paying by bank transfer outside Stripe.

I'm not saying our setup is perfect. It's a new account, the first real charge was large compared to the $1 test, and billing a saved card later is probably what looked wrong. If there's something specific we should fix, I'll fix it.

What I'm asking:

1. Is there anyone at Stripe who can look at this with the evidence, including getting the client on a call?

2. For people who've been through this: how would you structure per-appointment billing so it doesn't look unauthorized (an invoice with a link each time, an email confirmation before each charge, something else)?

I can share the account details, the call recording and the messages with anyone from Stripe who wants to look. Thanks for reading.

Comments

codingdave•1h ago
I have no knowledge specific to Stripe or your case, but do I know that the pattern you just described - a small 1 dollar payment followed by a large payment - is the exact pattern that criminals use to test stolen credit cards numbers. My bank will automatically reject anything following that pattern, put a hold on my card, and call me to confirm whether or not I have my card.

So yeah, if your business model calls for pattern matching with how stolen cards are used, that could very well be unacceptable risk to Stripe.

pstuart•15m ago
Out of idle curiosity, how might such a business such as the OP's be able to arrange payments to use Stripe without getting shut down?
anonymous908213•6m ago
It's also the pattern that millions of businesses use. It's like pattern matching against transactions on days that end in "y". You certainly will capture all fraudulent transactions that way, but...
Traubenfuchs•1h ago
Hi, you are on the frontpage of hackernews and have reached our premium support.

The CEO or CTO of Stripe will be with you shortly.

didgeoridoo•1h ago
Yeah unfortunately this charge pattern could not have looked MORE like merchant fraud. The right approach would have been to use https://docs.stripe.com/payments/setup-intents and set it for off-session usage.

You still might have gotten a payment hold on the first transaction until someone in risk could take a peek at your site to make sure you had all the right disclosures in place, but you probably would have kept the account.

1123581321•1h ago
Stripe stresses written authorization when you capture intent to pay.
replwoacause•38m ago
I'm so tired of these big companies giving poor customer support unless they get called out on social media.
breue•35m ago
I had stripe fleece me for 4.5k - tried to complain about them on HN - they nerfed the post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50398646

The sad part is I was one of their first customers - I helped onboard over a 70 clients for them over the years.

And my top project generated them $1.6m in pure fees revenue. I even tried emailing Patrick and John - they don't care one bit. Its sad - they used to have a soul - became a ruthless/soulless company.

Sorry you are dealing with this...

buckleyourshoe•16m ago
I would be interested to hear about better alternatives that have functional support. We ran into problems with Google Cloud and were able to migrate to options with much better customer support. Are there payment providers like this available?
brudgers•8m ago
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A_D_E_P_T•3m ago
> 2. For people who've been through this: how would you structure per-appointment billing so it doesn't look unauthorized (an invoice with a link each time, an email confirmation before each charge, something else)?

Have you tried simply sending invoices via Stripe? Works for me, without a hitch. And it's pretty flexible; you can do a lot to modify terms, add notes, send email notices to multiple parties, etc.

If that won't work, there are payment processors who specialize in "high risk" accounts. Paykings come to mind. I've actually heard good things.

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