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Show HN: Endo Familiar, an O-cap based JavaScript agent sandbox

https://dcfoundation.io/containing-ai-agents-the-endo-familiar-demo/
11•zmanian•3h ago

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cowbertvonmoo•2h ago
I’m Kris Kowal and I’m the tech lead on the Familiar project and happy to answer questions about building this new kind of user agent for safely managing and extending the capabilities of bots and apps.
hierophantos•48m ago
I wanted to ask perhaps an impossible question on this notion that I've been chewing on — particularly around the composition of "capabilities" (LLM sense of the word) and what they could acquire through some transitive closure over their "capability set(s)" in a multi-agent scenario.

I stumbled into two recent papers, thinking that it was about "capabilities" in the OCap sense and datalog (a related technology to what I'm working on): • https://arxiv.org/html/2603.26725 Capability Safety as Datalog: A Foundational Equivalence; Cosimo Spera; March 2026 • https://arxiv.org/html/2603.15973 Safety is Non-Compositional: A Formal Framework for Capability-Based AI Systems; Cosimo Spera; March 2026

Since capabilities in the OCap sense are just transitive closure of references on some reference graphs, it turns out that these two concerns with conflated terminology are nonetheless the same.

Curious if you or anyone has thoughts on managing capability escalations in multi-agent systems. Some thoughts be a-brewing...

cowbertvonmoo•45m ago
Yeah, once you give anyone a capability — bots included — there’s no stopping the capability from getting widely distributed. You have to bake in protections like revocability up front to be prepared for the case that they get disseminated beyond your intended reach. And, with agents, provided the agents behave in a way that is consistent with being unworried about their reputation, they could and might disseminate a capability widely, in their own network. So, a key to safely designing a bot network is to assume all the bots are in a clique and sharing all granted capabilities amongst themselves, as they can converge on that if they choose. At some point, it’s a game of managing their introductions. Hey, that’s a whole lot like parenting.

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