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Show HN: Ant – A JavaScript runtime and ecosystem

https://antjs.org
90•theMackabu•1h ago
Hello HN!

I'm the author of Ant, a JavaScript ecosystem built around a runtime with its own JavaScript engine. Ant also includes a package manager, the ants.land package registry, a platform for deploying and hosting applications, and Ant Desktop for building native desktop apps with web technologies, similar to Electron.

The goal is for these pieces to work as one coherent platform while remaining compatible with the wider JavaScript ecosystem. It's still early, and I'd appreciate any feedback on the overall direction or what you'd like to see from an e2e alternative to the existing JavaScript stacks.

P.S. I’ve shared Ant here before as a runtime; since then, it has grown into the broader ecosystem you see today.

Comments

Imustaskforhelp•1h ago
I have actually known* about Ant for some time from your previous submissions and its really interesting and I wish the project luck!

Do you think that Ant could be used to create a small index.html/css/js project into an desktop app minimally.

I currently found deno desktop which is pretty recent to be the easiest way of doing this for one of my projects (https://epub.mirror.forum) but I found there to be some issues within deno-desktop in terms of some features not working on the desktop app but I overall really like the idea of converting these files into desktop apps and I am wondering if ant could be suitable for that, so I am curious to hear what you think :-D

douxx•1h ago
Ant desktop is currently in development, from what I recall http://ants.land/ant-desktop
Imustaskforhelp•52m ago
Hmm, the ants.land website in general isn't resolving for my desktop but it is resolving for my laptop, a bit strange.

It states: Server Not Found, Zen can’t connect to the server at ants.land What can you do about it? Try connecting on a different device. Check your modem or router. Disconnect and reconnect to Wi-Fi.

yet my laptop which also uses zen which is also connected to the same Wi-Fi resolves the page so I am not sure.

douxx•50m ago
Weird, maybe your DNS settings on your desktop or an extension blocking it?
theMackabu•49m ago
thats very weird, its hosted on cloudflare workers atm. might be blocked by your isp? ive seen that happen to .land
Imustaskforhelp•38m ago
Oh I think that I might be getting it now but I had an custom nextdns profile set up on my browser using nextdns with some more aggressive setups using typosquatting protection etc.

It seems that changing the dns setting made it resolve and afterwards even going back to the same profile is now (resolving it again?) [Could it be that the domain is now cached not needing to go to the dns provider] but I guess that I wouldn't blame you guys about it so much and just wanted to inform y'all of it :-D

> ive seen that happen to .land

interesting, is there any reason behind DNS/(ISP?) providers blocking .land domains?

theMackabu•34m ago
> interesting, is there any reason behind DNS/(ISP?) providers blocking .land domains?

tbh have not seen any reason behind it, just saw my ants.land get blocked a office firewall once while demoing

theMackabu•1h ago
just got the thing for you actually! literally just finished a stable version last night, https://www.npmjs.com/package/ant-desktop. WIP still, chromium only renderer backend but webview and other backends coming soon as well. no local ant install needed as libant is bundled, when CI finishes ill have windows/linux builds too
Imustaskforhelp•59m ago
Oh great! it seems, that great thinkers think alike :-D

Good to see that you are already working on it though, Good luck and I will hopefully try to keep a keen eye on the project for my use-cases when I need something more flexible than rust iced applications but also having a small footprint. It's good to see more competition within this space so good luck with that!

theMackabu•59m ago
:D
esafak•1h ago
I hope you get some collaborators, to increase the bus factor. You might want to write a roadmap to focus efforts.
theMackabu•1h ago
good idea!
dvh•1h ago
What's the benefits over v8?
theMackabu•1h ago
its ~8mb including the entire runtime and node-compat work. pretty simple to embed anywhere as well
theMackabu•56m ago
LATEST RELEASE REQUIRES A STATIC RELEASE HOTFIX!!

https://github.com/theMackabu/ant/actions/runs/29167621329.

im very sorry everyone who tried to install and got a libcares error :(

rvz•53m ago
ok?
bellowsgulch•52m ago
> Something you could distribute without dragging along hundreds of megabytes of V8 or Node.

Holy crap, V8 is that big now? Very interested in this for embedding purposes.

CharlesW•34m ago
Why not use a runtime designed for embedded applications, like XS? https://moddable.com/documentation/readme
djfobbz•52m ago
I can't get Bun to work under WSL1, which is super annoying. Does Ant support WSL1?
theMackabu•51m ago
unknown, have not tried. but let me know if it does work
nesarkvechnep•46m ago
You might also try playing the piano. Who knows, you might know how to play.
carimura•50m ago
i was just joking about Anthropic's `ant` CLI not caring about Apache `ant` (maybe one person got it), and now we're talking about Javascript `ant`!
ebiester•30m ago
I thought I was the only person who remembered Apache Ant... I know we're running out of names but that was a really influential piece of infrastructure.
theMackabu•3m ago
I dont know a single soul who uses the Anthropic `ant` cli....
skybrian•41m ago
Could you use the JSR package registry instead of setting up a new one?
randall•32m ago
+1 to this.
egnehots•39m ago
You're stating: "delivers near-V8 speeds"

But according to zoo.js benchmarks that is far from the case:

https://zoo.js.org/

Unless there were major perf gains since 2026-02-10?

theMackabu•37m ago
many, the engine has basically gone through a full rewrite since feb, that was still mostly interpt and missing many jit ops.

nightly will include benchmarks soon as well

digitaltrees•36m ago
Cool project. I am working on a JavaScript dialect for my kids and non technical team members. I’ll target and as a run time.
tekacs•34m ago
I code with AI all day, every day. But I do think that it's worth pointing to this issue (from March).

The author has said that they've redone it since, but the "from-scratch hand-built" framing specifically – for me – somewhat grates given the original heavy lifting from an existing AGPL codebase.

https://github.com/cesanta/elk/issues/75

I want to acknowledge that the original authors don't seem to have minded too much – per that thread – after older versions were dropped.

For context, the current code doesn't look like it is the same shape, the same structure, etc., etc. – it _has_ been rewritten since (the 'since Feb' rewrite mentioned adjacent is related to this, AFAICT).

To the author: I absolutely love what you're doing overall. Keep going! Just be careful, folks.

theMackabu•31m ago
this was flagging code from all the way back in dec of 2025, back when this project was just some idea and not what it is today.

around feb thats when basically deleted the existing codebase and designed a much more reliable system from the ground up.

I knew the existing code was basically pure slop, and it was not the biggest issue then, now nothing goes past me unreviewed and untested

> To the author: I absolutely love what you're doing overall. Keep going! Just be careful, folks.

Thank you!

randall•33m ago
wow! i’ve been using deno for a long time, and one of my fav features is compiling a binary. i didn’t see anything about that, but might have missed something… do you all plan to support this?
theMackabu•28m ago
yes! I will be making a roadmap like a comment here suggested, should help
lucb1e•24m ago
Why call it "Ant" and not "Antjs" or "Ant.js" when there is already Ant from Apache? https://ant.apache.org
pikuseru•19m ago
The thing that caught my eye immediately was the sandboxing. I have no idea why Node and npm don’t have sandboxing by default. It would greatly help with some of these worms and supply chain attacks.
Reubend•17m ago
Can this engine be embedded into other programs?
gaurang404•14m ago
Damnn, gonna try this for sure
sylware•10m ago
Cannot access the web site: whatwg cartel web engine only.

Is antjs coded in plain and simple C?

EvilGoose•9m ago
This looks excellent. The sandboxing really stands out to me, and I think ant.land might have potential, since it has a lot of great features other registries lack.
m3h•9m ago
The author shared their experience building the first version in a month: https://themackabu.dev/blog/js-in-one-month

And then the follow up few months later: https://themackabu.dev/blog/ant-part-two

I'm not sure what the economics of building a new runtime and ecosystem from scratch are but it seems we're already in a phase where individual developers are creating software which previously took a whole team. And its only getting started...

CrzyLngPwd•7m ago
Would not touch thios with someone else's (code/business).