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Tell HN: docker pull fails in spain due to football cloudflare block

289•littlecranky67•4h ago
I just spent 1h+ debugging why my locally-hosted gitlab runner would fail to create pipelines. The gitlab job output would just display weird TLS errors when trying to pull a docker images. After debugging gitlab and the runner, I realized after a while I could not even run "docker pull <image>" on my machine as root:

> error pulling image configuration: download failed after attempts=6: tls: failed to verify certificate: x509: certificate is not valid for any names, but wanted to match docker-images-prod.6aa30f8b08e16409b46e0173d6de2f56.r2.cloudflarestorage.com

First blaming tailscale, dns configuration and all other stuff. Until I just copied that above URL into my browser on my laptop, and received a website banner:

> El acceso a la presente dirección IP ha sido bloqueado en cumplimiento de lo dispuesto en la Sentencia de 18 de diciembre de 2024, dictada por el Juzgado de lo Mercantil nº 6 de Barcelona en el marco del procedimiento ordinario (Materia mercantil art. 249.1.4)-1005/2024-H instado por la Liga Nacional de Fútbol Profesional y por Telefónica Audiovisual Digital, S.L.U. https://www.laliga.com/noticias/nota-informativa-en-relacion-con-el-bloqueo-de-ips-durante-las-ultimas-jornadas-de-laliga-ea-sports-vinculadas-a-las-practicas-ilegales-de-cloudflare

For those non-spanish speakers: It means there is football match on, and during that time that specific host is blocked. This is just plain madness. I guess that means my gitlab pipelines will not run when football is on. Thank you, Spain.

Comments

sigio•3h ago
Time to use a VPN in your docker pipelines ;) Or run your systems outside of Spain.

Or can this be avoided by using an alternate DNS?

darkwater•3h ago
They are planning to also block VPN providers during football matches, see https://www.techradar.com/vpn/vpn-privacy-security/la-liga-w...
Mordisquitos•3h ago
They are not "planning" to block VPNs. A technologically illiterate judge has ordered it, but there are no plans nor mechanisms to enforce it.
chrismustcode•2h ago
If they can block IPs of cloudflare what extra mechanisms would be needed to block VPN IPs?
chmod775•2h ago
The only viable way to even get most of them is to shut down internet access entirely. It's not a realistic solution, unlike blocking a few well known IP ranges belonging to a large corp like Cloudflare.

And even if you managed to get them all beforehand, some VPN providers will adapt and keep some servers in reserve, putting them online just as you managed to block the previous ones. Getting around internet censorship is a large chunk of their business, and some are really good at it.

mr-wendel•1h ago
It's a game. The VPN marketplace is huge so it's wack-a-mole.

Big companies don't hide their VPN ASNs. Obscure, for sure, but getting a good list isn't hard. Usually they get blocked.

Smaller companies may pass under the radar, and have higher tolerance for risky strategies.

The fringe providers are the problem. They aggressively change IP ranges, front-vs-obscure ownership, and play dirty. Shady folks will resell residential ranges. End-users often get tainted goods.

... and you still have the collateral damage game when VPNs host infra with big cloud providers vs colofarms vs self-host, etc.

darkwater•2h ago
The exact same stupid mechanism they are already using. Forcing ISPs to blackhole whole subnets if they belong to the VPN provider ASN(s).
ufocia•2h ago
"A _Sanish_ Court has ordered NordVPN and Proton VPN to block IPs transmitting illegal football streams" [emphasis added], that is inspain.
prmoustache•2h ago
When talking about VPNs, it doesn't have to mean "third party VPN". You can host your own on any VPN service outside of Spain.
darkwater•2h ago
Yes, but that's not something many can do easily. Also already having to use a VPN is not the "right" solution. The right so solution is to beat some sense inside some politician's head, and force them to write and approve laws that don't let stupid (or conniving) judges pass orders like this one we are talking about.
prmoustache•1h ago
I agree it is not the right solution.

But anyone who is pulling docker images in a sunday afternoon while the rest of the country is glued to their screen to watch a football game or enjoying a sunny sunday outside having beers and tapas and what not should be capable of setting up wireguard.

marginalia_nu•1h ago
Given the context of the HN audience, it's probably something you can do.
skgsergio•2h ago
Alternate DNS doesn't help, they block at IP level.

Yes, they block IPs belonging to CDNs (CF including R2, BunnyCDN, CDN77, Fastly, Alibaba, Akamai even)...

littlecranky67•2h ago
It is not a DNS based block, but on the IP level. Once I knew what caused the issue, I figured I use one of my Hetzner vServers as an exit node in tailscale.

But come on, this can't be true. I wonder how many other people in IT wasted hours on issues and tickets to find out it is due to a football match taking place. Admittedly, chances are low, as football matches are usually outside of office hours.

vaylian•3h ago
This is a know issue and it is completely fucked up: https://www.techradar.com/vpn/vpn-privacy-security/cloudflar...

What Spain does is basically censorship and it's very poorly executed. The docker image registry is only one out of the many collateral victims of this stupid law.

embedding-shape•51m ago
> What Spain does is basically censorship and it's very poorly executed

Basically? It is censorship, with huge collateral damage and regardless of how much we complain or share evidence that the blocks are actually financially harming us, no one seems to care as long as La Liga gets to freely block whatever hoster of websites as they wish.

utrack•3h ago
They block the whole of Cloudflare R2, I believe the Docker hub is just (heh) a collateral.

When the La Liga match starts, everything that's proxied via CF (including zero access reverse tunnels) stops working.

There's even a website made for checking if the match is on: https://hayahora.futbol/

You can check if your host is affected: https://hayahora.futbol/#comprobador&domain=docker-images-pr...

mr_mitm•2h ago
Why do they do that? Sorry, I don't speak Spanish.
ShowalkKama•2h ago
to """"""""""prevent piracy""""""""""
quadrifoliate•2h ago
Here's a good English-language article about it, with a timeline: https://daniel.es/blog/cloudflare-vs-la-liga/

Looks like same old regulatory capture.

maest•1h ago
Also, a classic tweet from the Cloudflare CEO re their fight with Italians authorities re censorship:

https://xcancel.com/eastdakota/status/2009654937303896492

Everyone looks bad in this conflict.

post-it•59m ago
How does this make Matthew look bad?
encom•43m ago
Matt acting like he's a free speech absolutist. Hilarious.
petcat•17m ago
Italy and Spain are the bad actors here. Not cloudflare.
prmoustache•2h ago
Because LaLiga and football in general is what is governing Spain really.
bakugo•2h ago
The website has a language selector on the right just below the initial screen, just FYI.
lentil_soup•1h ago
to stop people pirating football streams while matches are on. Insanity
michaelt•1h ago
The football league would rather not have pirates livestream their ~90 minute games.

Pirates would rather not be blocked, so they create a new, disposable website for every game. Any blocking must happen fast.

Cloudflare would rather not block websites without a court order specifying the sites to be blocked.

The courts would rather not create a special fast lane through the courts, just to resolve a squabble between two huge corporations.

n6242•58m ago
> The football league would rather not have pirates livestream their ~90 minute games.

Funny enough, I work in IT and I've had to use a VPN to be able to do my job when soccer is on, but my two non-tech-savy family members that do watch soccer using pirate livestreams say that they've never had any issues with blocked streams.

spwa4•50m ago
But you must realize, the alternative to this is that some very wealthy Spanish companies ... lose a small amount of money.

Surely you understand now. Go about your business, poor person.

ryandrake•5m ago
They don't even "lose a small amount of money." They simply gain less money than usual for a short period of time.
lentil_soup•53m ago
> Cloudflare would rather not block websites without a court order specifying the sites to be blocked.

why would they?

> squabble between two huge corporations

I think this is just LaLiga using it's cultural and economical power, don't think Cloudflare or the courts should be making exceptions just so they can control how people watch football

gruez•35m ago
>why would they?

Plenty of companies proactively take action against shady users, even if not 100% required under law. Youtube has content id, social media companies have "community guidelines", and ISPs have AUPs.

jimaek•3h ago
Off topic but I wonder when Cloudflare is going to launch their own Docker registry as a product.
vaylian•3h ago
What would the business case be?
jimaek•3h ago
Capture developers and funnel them to the Workers platform
ImJasonH•2h ago
It's pretty easy to write your own. I made this one a while ago: https://github.com/chainguard-dev/crow-registry
wqtz•2h ago
Well, Cloudflare does not launch anything. They acquire to build products. Look into all their recent product launches. They acquired a relatively small company and converted the founding team to a product team.

So, if you want them to build stuff, ask yourself, are there any "Docker Registry" startups out there. If jsdelivr/globalping is not keeping you busy enough... there is an idea

jimaek•2h ago
Honestly I would build it if I knew how to properly market it to quickly get users.

Globalping and jsDelivr took years to gain a meaningful user base

wqtz•1h ago
I do not think that is the issue. The recent acquisitions from all these big tech companies did not have any "meaningful" user base to begin with.

I think your name alone carries significant weight in the industry and you have built a very large community.

If you even vibe code something with, you will get a stupid amount of money thrown at you and a contract that bounds your existing projects and the next 3-5 years to a particular company as project lead.

Here is a list of acquisitions Cloudflare made recently: https://blog.cloudflare.com/tag/acquisitions/

Most of these companies did not have a half dozen paying customer or even a fully fleshed-out product before they were acquired.

jimaek•1h ago
I wish I had as much faith in myself as you have in me :)
ai_slop_hater•1h ago
https://github.com/cloudflare/serverless-registry
jimaek•58m ago
I've seen it but it's buggy and lacking in features. Feels like an afterthought instead of a real product
ahachete•3h ago
Yeah, I know. Welcome to the club :(

https://x.com/ahachete/status/2035783292549755228

mathfailure•3h ago
Cloudflare is cancer. And the tumor is now too big.
Cpoll•2h ago
You've got it backwards. Spain's ISPs are blocking Cloudflare and other CDNs because of LaLiga/football piracy. CloudFlare isn't doing anything here.
sph•2h ago
You are correct, but Cloudflare is still a cancer on the Internet.
petcat•2h ago
Rampant bot traffic and scrapers are the real cancer. Until that goes away everyone is going to need cloudflare or some other bot firewall service.
Duwensatzaj•1h ago
It won’t. Some people are perfectly happy to destroy and destroy as long as they get some small portion as profit for themselves.
sph•44m ago
That, ironically, includes Cloudflare. Without rampant bots making the internet worse for everybody, they wouldn't have as much work. And their portion of profit is anything but small.
adrian_b•1h ago
Perhaps that is true, but the Cloudflare anti-bot protection is too stupid and annoying.

They should have used a cookie or something else that does not require asking me every few minutes to prove once more that I am not a bot.

There was a time when Cloudflare had become less intrusive, but for the last months it has begun again to intervene almost each time when opening some pages.

There is no doubt that anti-bot protection can be implemented in a better way than Cloudflare does, but presumably the alternatives would consume more resources on their servers, so probably they choose whatever minimizes their costs, regardless if that ensures maximum discomfort for Internet users.

post-it•50m ago
You're getting frequent verification requests because you're behaving like a bot. Are you modifying your user agent string or using a VPN?
encom•38m ago
Who knows what upsets ClownFlare? I'm using Vivaldi on Linux on IPv6 in Denmark with every uBlock filter enabled and Cookie Auto-delete. That seems to confuse and anger CloudFlare and I get CAPTCHA tarpitted constantly.
jbxntuehineoh•1h ago
cf is failing to comply with Spanish law and as a result is being blocked in Spain
otterley•1h ago
I know this is an unpopular opinion among freedom maximalists, but:

It’s precisely because CloudFlare isn’t responding like other CDNs to reasonable demands to cut off pirate origin sites that this mess exists. If they reacted quickly to remove configurations that are obviously facilitating copyright infringement, Spain wouldn’t resort to full scale ASN blocking.

How do we know it’s CloudFlare? Because other CDNs like CloudFront, Akamai, Fastly, etc. respond to takedown demands and aren’t being blocked. (Those also cost money and require customer identification.)

In an escalating war between the state and a corporation, the state will always prevail if they have the public’s backing. In Spain it’s clear that most people are happy to watch the match through legitimate channels even at the cost of blocking CloudFlare.

petcat•2h ago
Spain is mandating their ISPs block cloudflare to stop people from illegally streaming soccer games. Cloudflare isn't the one doing the blocking.
ufocia•2h ago
How so?
StrLght•2h ago
You made a few typos in "LaLiga"
skgsergio•2h ago
I can agree on how much power on the global traffic they have, but this blocks affect many other CDNs like Fastly, Akamai, CDN77, BunnyCDN, Alibaba...
anthk•2h ago
Yea, La Liga it's crapping out as always. Docker needs either some I2P gateway, or a Tor service.
anthk•2h ago
CF could just sue LaLiga and the judge as interrupting and intercepting telecomms it's a really serious crime in Spain. Call the AEPD too because of consumers' right against both ISP and LaLiga's snooping. Another huge fine.

This is not an issue under the civil code (civilian issues), but something to be dealt under penal (criminal) code.

In Spanish

https://www.fiscal.es/memorias/memoria2020/FISCALIA_SITE/rec...

Oh, and BTW, LaLiga has just partnered with a CF rival.

Now CF can just sue both like hell because of unfair competition:

https://nitter.tiekoetter.com/xataka/status/2042658662850724...

quadrifoliate•2h ago
Looks like they already tried to appeal the block, and lost:

https://x.com/jaumepons/status/1904906677335245294

buzer•24m ago
They could potentially file the suit against Spain in European Court of Human Rights if they have exhausted national remedies. ECtHR has previously ruled some blocks to be illegal, but generally in the context where country sought the ban. Of course in both cases Court is the one that actually orders the ban.

One relevant would be Yildirim v. Turkey where court ordered blocking access to all Google sites because there was one that where someone insulted the memory of Atatürk. This was due to request from Telecommunications Directorate. This then caused the appellant's website to get blocked as well.

Another one would be Vladimir Kharitonov v. Russia.

prmoustache•2h ago
I think they are doing it already.
pjc50•2h ago
This is why technology businesses and professionals need to take a little bit of an active role in local politics. Otherwise you get nonsense.
DocTomoe•1h ago
That's an interesting euphenism for 'spend a massive amount of money on ~~corruption~~ lobbying',
lentil_soup•1h ago
not necesarilly, any government will make decisions, if there's no one to speak up and inform them why the decision is stupid, like the one from LaLiga, then we end up in this situation
afh1•1h ago
This is incredibly naive.
lentil_soup•58m ago
ok, then what do you suggest? we don't get involved and decisions at the government level are made for us? I might be naive, but let's not be restrained by the cynicism of any involment in politics and governance is corruption
embedding-shape•42m ago
What? This is how governance and public opinion happen, at least in Spain. Government does something bad? Everyone out on the streets to complain, and calling politicians to change their mind.

Sometimes it works, sometimes it does not, but doing nothing is never an option if you disagree with what they're doing. To think that doing nothing is better than something, that's incredibly naive.

danirod•2h ago
Heh, lucky you, at least you get a message. My ISP just drops traffic to the affected IPs. No ping, no traceroute, just a spinner in the browser until it says "page not found".

Every response and comment from LaLiga, the football organization responsible for this, has been so far that this is a minor issue that only affects a few bunch of nerds who talk about "docker images" or "github repositories" or "whatever that means".

Meanwhile, there are testimonies of smart home devices like anti-theft alarms or automatic doors, that stop working whenever there is a football match, because their backends rely on Cloudflare.

Last week, a woman asked for help on social media, as the GPS tracking app she uses to see where her father with dementia is, went offline during a match. It was getting late and he still wasn't back home, and she couldn't locate the tag he was wearing to find him: https://www.infobae.com/america/agencias/2026/04/05/laliga-d...

It's hard to say this, because no one should experience an event like this, but as stressful as these are, it's the only way to make the mainstream people care about this censorship. "I cannot pull a docker image" will never be on nightly news, but safety and personal security is a more powerful driver for discourses.

freetanga•2h ago
All people affected should file a complaint with your ISP and with Oficina de Atención al Usuario de Telecomunicaciones claiming financial loss for arbitrary service censorship.
pixl97•1h ago
Yep, flood them with complaints.
bakugo•1h ago
Sadly, it won't accomplish anything. La Liga seems to have enough political power in the country to bury all of that. Probably bribing everyone involved.
cluckindan•38m ago
Corruption at that level could mean organized crime. Is there a culture of betting through illegal bookies, are they fixing matches, or ¿porque no los dos?
embedding-shape•26m ago
Well, I think when the organized crime is registered as proper businesses and they have the judges on their side even if the law isn't, I think we just call that "for-profit capitalism" nowadays.
dualvariable•26m ago
penalti para el real madrid!
embedding-shape•56m ago
I've been filing complaints since a year ago, told others to do the same too, nothing happens. There been moments I've meant to deploy fixes to issues but I cannot, because some tooling goes offline.

I've claimed financial loss, claimed sanity loss and everything in-between, but I'm afraid unless something reaches the European/EU courts, Spain will continue to be in the pocket of the La Liga owners.

Straight up fucking censorship with wide collateral being completely accepted in a Western country in 2026, beyond comprehension how this is allowed.

lentil_soup•50m ago
how do you make claims, here: https://usuariosteleco.digital.gob.es/? Can't find a way of doing it with Cl@ve
GranPC•38m ago
I think this is it: https://reg.redsara.es/#login
embedding-shape•28m ago
I've used this: https://usuariosteleco.digital.gob.es/reclamaciones/telefoni...

Used my digital certificate (which is installed in the browser), but AFAIK, you can use Cl@ve on that page above too.

In the past, I've cited BOE-A-2022-10757 (https://www.boe.es/buscar/act.php?id=BOE-A-2022-10757), done a reclamació for the repeated loss of lawful access on my connection, and a denúncia about a broader overblocking practice affecting access to lawful services.

Also, supposedly, we should be able to make claims to CNMC as well, but haven't figured out how. Also of course, been complaining to my ISP every time it happens too.

ryandrake•8m ago
Whenever I get a little down over how much power unelected corporations have in my country, I can at least cheer myself up a little by being thankful that something as stupid as football doesn't have enough power here to control whether or not I have internet access.
pxc•1h ago
> Heh, lucky you, at least you get a message. My ISP just drops traffic to the affected IPs. No ping, no traceroute, just a spinner in the browser until it says "page not found".

This is generally how the GFW works in China. Instead of an overbearing nanny like a school or corporation's DNS blocker, you're left with a sense that you're on a version of the Internet that is just intermittently and somewhat mysteriously broken.

And indeed, in China, a lot of things that probably aren't fully intended to be blocked are not reliably accessible. Implementation varies, so you get strange routing and peering issues. It feels like an Internet that isn't fully formed, that hasn't finished coming together yet.

Nation states and corporations obviously gain some things sometimes by having Internet censorship/blocking frameworks in place. Maybe, sometimes, ordinary people even benefit, too, if it helps shut down illegal and genuinely harmful businesses.

But it feels like the whole world is gradually trending towards more and more Internet censorship without realizing that we are un-building a miraculous thing that took enormous effort and cleverness and expense to build. I wish we could think about this not only in terms of freedom (and we absolutely should think about it in terms of freedom), but how we are disintegrating the infrastructure of communication and computing.

the_gipsy•1h ago
It's ridiculous and wrong what LaLiga does. But it's also a weakeup call to consider ditching cloudflare's centralization.
estebank•1h ago
The companies relying on cloudflare won't be in Spain. If you buy a GPS tracker by a Canadian company, developed in India, manufactured in China, they are unlikely to know, even it they cared, that a single country that accounts for a tiny percentage of their sales breaks fundamental internet infrastructure on the regular "because fútbol y dinero".

And when purchasing a product, there's no "bill of materials" telling you about the services it relies on, beyond "internet connection" at best.

encom•51m ago
>fundamental internet infrastructure

I'm not saying this situation isn't bullshit, but the bigger problem is that CloudFlare is now "fundamental internet infrastructure". This is precisely the situation that the internet was designed to prevent.

Yesterday I got stuck in endless CloudFlare CAPTCHA's, trying to access theretroweb.com. I had to give up. Many such cases. I hate CloudFlare so much, it's unreal.

embedding-shape•44m ago
> This is precisely the situation that the internet was designed to prevent

Right, but on the other hand, our constitution and laws are supposed to give us the rights to access a internet where for-profit companies cannot block entire companies who host websites, because a few bad websites are hosted there.

Not to mention all us freelancers, contractors and just in general computing users, who sometimes want to continue working although 90% of the country is watching football, should be able to do so even if pirates use Cloudflare for shitty stuff.

I agree that Cloudflare sucks, people should avoid defaulting to putting Cloudflare in front of absolutely everything they do and I too get stuck at the CAPTCHAs sometimes. But that doesn't remove the fact that Cloudflare, just like every other lawful company, should be allowed to be visited during La Liga matches.

boredatoms•45m ago
Perhaps its time to put a VPN into all your CI jobs
tryauuum•19m ago
You can't fight political issues with clever technical solutions
psychoslave•9m ago
That's actually part of rebellion modus operandi, so totally something realistic. But not within the frame of law and not in the sweet position of someone away from the "I'll die for the just cause" mindset.
peanut-walrus•8m ago
Yes you can. Fight with clever technical solutions and the politics will follow once the solution becomes common or displays its usefulness. It is in fact the most effective way to fight dumb political issues.
mrvaibh•2h ago
This is a great example of why blanket IP blocking is such a terrible enforcement mechanism. Cloudflare hosts hundreds of thousands of services behind shared IP ranges — blocking one IP to stop a piracy stream takes out everything else on that IP, including Docker registries, API endpoints, and CDNs that have nothing to do with football.

  The real fix on your end until Spain sorts this out: set up a pull-through registry cache (e.g. registry:2 with proxy.remoteurl) on a VPS outside Spain, and point your Docker daemon's mirror config at it. Your
  GitLab runner pulls from the cache, the cache pulls from Docker Hub via a non-blocked IP. Also insulates you from Docker Hub rate limits.

  But yeah, the fact that a court order about football streaming can break docker pull for an entire country is genuinely absurd.
tom1337•1h ago
just wait until they block Azure as well so the official La Liga site also stops working
embedding-shape•53m ago
> This is a great example of why blanket IP blocking is such a terrible enforcement mechanism

AFAIK, they're not doing "blanket IP blocking", they're intercepting requests based on DNS and IP, and try to serve their own certificates and their own content. Obviously, in most cases it fails, as the certificate doesn't match the site, so the browser rejects it, but as far as I can see and tell, there is no "blanket IP blocks", more like "DNS and IP interception".

The difference doesn't really matter in practice, sucks regardless, but I thought I'd clarify for the ones who are not experiencing these blocks themselves at least.

richwater•2h ago
Spain is a failing country. Their economy is in shambles and the government has ceded internet control to a private corporation who runs football games.
gruez•1h ago
>Their economy is in shambles

But it's among the fastest growing in the EU? Granted, part of this is starting from a low base, but it's hardly "in shambles"

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.KD.ZG?locat...

estebank•1h ago
To note that this isn't the executive or legislative but the judiciary doing the bidding.
embedding-shape•50m ago
Spain isn't a perfect country, I don't think any is. But the economy isn't in shambles, only someone who doesn't know what they're talking about would say anything like that. It does suck that La Liga can wield so much power, agree, but this is not related to the economy at all...
Jare•1h ago
It's a disgrace, but apparently all relevant forces still consider soccer the most important thing in the country.
jcalvinowens•1h ago
This is the moral equivalent of shutting the water off for a whole city because one dude's house has a leak. The harms to society clearly and obviously outweigh any possible benefits to society. But if that one dude has the power to shut it all off, and doesn't care...
spwa4•30m ago
If you think that's even remotely close to the worst the Spanish government has done, don't look up "Catalunya".

https://int.assemblea.cat/civil-and-human-rights-abuses/tool...

torben-friis•1h ago
As a Spaniard, I would be very happy it cloudflare stops serving Spain. The situation is beyond stupid and I know without international pressure and shaming we're not getting rid of this abuse.
littlecranky67•52m ago
They should at least do a single "awareness day" during which they block the same IPs and sites they are ordered by court, as if there was a football match on. Ideally with a 7 days public notice announcement. Probably won't happen though, as their contractual obligation won't allow for voluntary suspension of services.
yangm97•37m ago
Maybe it’s time to reflect upon the reliance on centralized services? Not long ago docker hub started rate limiting access and we all turned to blanket solutions like the GitLab registry cache. I wonder if the IPFS distributed docker registry thing still exists/works.
Magnets•36m ago
BT used to block the entire streamable.com site during football matches
gchamonlive•36m ago
Here in Brazil sometimes my ISP goes into a weird state where I can't SSH into a remote machune. Got two ISP links here and still sometimes I need to resort to Mullvad to get stable internet
giorgioz•32m ago
POSSIBLE FIX:

I think changing your default DNS servers to Google 8.8.8.8 or Cloudflare 1.1.1.1 might bypass the spanish sunday ban on Cloudlflare.

macOS + Cloudlfare 1.1.1.1 https://developers.cloudflare.com/1.1.1.1/setup/macos/

Google 8.8.8.8 https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/docs/using

lofaszvanitt•30m ago
Good. Cloudflare is the next evil entity on the internet.
breppp•30m ago
Vote early, vote often
jjcm•19m ago
Barring an Internet giant suing them in court, it really feels like this is unlikely to change as most just don’t understand the why or the effect.

Someone needs to write a heist movie set in Spain where a key part of the plan is they steal something while La Liga is blocking some key security route.