Not saying that it's right, but it's a strongly instilled social more and, at least for me, explains "why I'm like that".
"I'm looking for friends, and you seem like we might get along."
"I find you attractive and I'd like to see if you feel the same way about me."
"I'm lonely, and I'm looking to interact with someone for a bit to ease the pain."
Etc.
Reminds me of the lyrics from that Louis Armstrong song, "What a Wonderful World".
Most people seem to agree this is preferred with the basics:
"Hi, I'm baobun, great to meet you!" vs "Hi, what's your name?"
I on the other hand don't get the expectation that conversation should be structured like a Q&A or interview. But sure, if I notice my conversation-partner is "an inrerviewer" I try to calibrate accordingly.
Remember OP is a anglosaxan reporter and seems unaware of that cultural bias. Flipping the opening:
> ‘Over-askers’ can come across as selfish – but there might be personal and societal reasons for their inability to share first
It's a "me" problem exactly as much as it's a "you" problem. Communication is a two-way street on all levels.
Leaving space is important no matter what and a 20 minute breathless monologue without giving openings is rude regardless of its ending in a question-mark.
What do you count as superficial?
I'm nervous around new people and I don't like awkward silences. I'm also curious so I tend to ask a lot.
I usually ask about their job or things they like to do. I always find something I'm genuinely curious about in relation to what they say, and so I ask about that.
I'll leave some room for them to drive the conversation, but if the awkward silence creeps back in I ask some more.
So am I asking superficial questions when it comes to details about forest management, running a book store or getting a single-engine pilots license that I'm genuinely curious about?
I feel like there's some levels between chitchat about the weather and deep personal issues.
By not asking questions, you're showing politeness by letting the other person talk about what's on their mind, without predetermining the topic. And similarly, they can give you the space to talk about what's on your mind. Nobody's trying to guess what to ask about. They're just giving space for the other to bring up whatever's going on, at the depth they feel comfortable about.
And later.
> “When people are under too much pressure or stress, their defenses go up, and this makes curiosity a challenge,” she said. “Anxiety can easily look like egocentrism.”
Asking questions is a minefield. I am sure there are people who lack curiosity, but I am also sure there are many people that think: " Why go into that minefield on my own initiative when my conversation partner is happy to lead me through?"
This is really easy to misjudge though. If we care about having a conversation, we need to pitch in too. At the peril of it NOT being a conversation. Even if we are happy with the direction, we can try and provide hints that we are not just "this". One idea is to occasionally prompt for an echo about this direction, like "what part of all this is interesting to you?" or "what else does this echo for you?". The phrasing doesn't matter much, just an opportunity for that person to inject a little of themselves in there.
Oh yes, no doubt about that. And one of the many, many real life skills that schools should concern themselves with. Because who else?
Another opportunity though is people watching. When bored or noised-out I sometimes give up on getting two words in and instead observe how people in that circle are talking or rather participating. There is amazing stuff going on at the meta level. People trying to be good hosts, people with zero self-awareness, other people observing and taking notes, people aware they are being chased, others not at all... It's fun.
-A Fish Called Wanda
> Sure enough, she wrapped up one answer, then looked at me expectantly, like a dog waiting for a treat. Oh hell no, I thought. No way. I turned to the person next to me, a friend. “She’s a non-asker,” I said.
I use to wait for other people to talk to me. I didn't feel like I knew how to do the social conversation thing, especially because of my dislike of generic small talk.
At some point I made it a point to "practice" this skill, the same as I would practice a sport, messing up terribly at times, but others executing as planned. Thus, I have some grace for people that know how to talk when asked, but lack the thought to ask back. Maybe they only want to talk about themselves, maybe talking to new people makes them nervous or self conscious or whatever it was I felt most of the time. Who knows. Being the one asking the questions puts that person in charge of the flow and direction. You can steer it back or away or around.
I will give it a bit and try to probe for common interest or something that I can talk about as well. If that can be found, then the ones that are simply "bad" (or more likely, un-practiced) at social situations will flow into a give & take conversation if you can find the route to a mutual topic first, hopefully by picking up on small details from their introduction story (the simplest more nature flow, without having to do a hard pivot to the environment context). Think of it as a choose your own adventure book, with you in the driver's seat. For the ones that just want to talk about themselves, that adventure will swiftly end on its own.
This is something that bothers me with "safe" ways to conversation. So safe as to be pointless. And same for "endless answers" and "derailing the conversation" - which might be fun material perhaps in some nerdy way, but might as well kill a conversation.
Striking a conversation is a skill, so is keeping it on track.
Similarly, few would blame a vegetarian for not wanting to go to a barbecue joint.
On the other hand, the really great askers make you feel like the most important person in the room. You'll answer their questions and they'll ask really good follow-up questions to show they're listening and that they care.
It's not about not returning a favor. It's just two styles: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43864532
I can recall one conversation where I was doing a lot of asking in a phone conversation with a friend and he was talking for maybe an hour about what was new in his life and there was a natural break and I realized I didn't really talk too much about myself and so I did, and the conversation just died. He didn't ask more questions or show a lot of interest in what I was saying. I don't think it's always different communication styles.
To me, a good conversation, and not one where you're just exchanging information for some utilitarian purpose, is a back and forth where you share stories, ask for details, show interest, and really connect. It's not just a "I'll talk for a bit and when I'm done, you talk for a bit". I've been in those types of conversations too and often I afterwards feel like I didn't really connect with another person. I just used them to share something I found interesting and they did the same to me. I didn't really gain insight into who they are.
Of course not every conversation has to be a deep connection, but in the context of dating (as in at the start of the article), that's got to be your primary goal.
I'm an introvert so would dread these, but always ended up enjoy going when I did.
One day she called me the day after such a party to say it was nice of me to come, as she would, but added "everyone always enjoys it when you're there, you're so good at making people feel seen".
I got really taken aback by that. I hadn't thought about that at all, I was just coping with my social anxiety by asking people questions.
Years later I was at a family function, and a relative had a new girlfriend from the US. I noticed not many talked to her except her boyfriend, so I sat down and started to ask some questions. We ended up talking for several hours until everyone else had left.
At the end when it was time to go to bed, she suddenly started crying. We asked what was wrong but she just said "you have no idea how good it was to just talk to someone".
She'd been in the country for a couple of weeks at that point without really having anyone else but her boyfriend have a conversation with her, despite meeting his family and such many times.
That also moved me. While I had noticed she was a bit alone that evening, I hadn't considered how much it could mean to her. I was just thinking she would be interesting to talk to being from another country, and figured she might be a bit bored so hopefully I could alleviate that.
Again, I don't feel like I'm doing anything special. I'm curious so I like discovering new stuff. I try to find what people are passionate about, as that's almost always something I don't know a lot about and so I can discover a lot of exciting new stuff. And doing that helps me overcome my social anxiety.
However, I do try to listen to people and I try to respond thoughtfully. How else can I have a meaningful conversation?
It's a macho thing. Big wall of isolation. We're tiny silly little men with our toys and dumb ideas.
It’s not them that “drive you crazy“, it’s you yourself driving you crazy because you lack a strategy outside of assigning responsibility to the other to change. They don’t do it to personally offend you.
If somebody doesn’t ask, it doesn’t mean they’re not interested in you. If somebody doesn’t share without being asked, it doesn’t mean they’re not up for sharing. It’s really that simple.
Isn't the issue a little different? That it makes it look like that they have no interest in you? If the "conversation" is a journalistic or learning stream of questions then fine. But if the conversation is more social (from friendship, getting to know a little about each other, all the way to gauging hiring interest), then "no interest" is a strong signal to move on. There are other ways to express interest than asking back, but "not expressing interest" is an obstacle.
Agree with you that "drive you crazy" is yet another issue. For most this would be just a figure of speech.
Maybe the problem isn't the "non-askers"
I'd like to think I'm a good conversationalist, but I would hate to hold a conversation with someone like this.
Our modern world was already in an epidemic of narcissism before social media and since then things have only accelerated. Like the author, I have also noticed that it is somewhat more common with men talking to women and I wonder why.
I see a number of people here saying that they are non-askers or that being a non-asker is a good thing and I think many of them aren't quite understanding the author's definition of non-asker. To me, if we have a conversation and I ask you two things and the conversation devolves into a random subject, that is totally fine. On the other hand, if I'm having a conversation and it's a "questions" conversation - getting to know you, catching up about our kids, discussing our startups etc - and you don't ask a single question then that is very weird. Picture this: we're both parents, my Timmy and your Jones were friends before we moved away. For an hour I've asked questions and heard all about your Jones but you didn't ask a thing about my Timmy. Or: we're students working on our internships, catching up, I've asked all about your internship and how it's going and you just don't care about mine. Or: we're strangers flirting in a bar and I've asked all about you but you haven't asked a thing about me. In all those circumstances I am going to get the (almost always correct!) feeling that you don't care about me. If we're just talking about sports, or politics, or hiking or whatever then there is no need to ask personal questions, but if it's a context where the whole point is personal questions, and a question is reasonably expected, then it's pretty weird if it never comes.
Where it might help if we could tell the one from the other, is perhaps there are better ways to prod for input into the conversation that would fit better the narcissists or the "overly polite non-askers".
I can tell you all about duck eggs, things to put in a food dehydrator, how this woman makes great gluten free treats, except when they don't turn out right, but that's just how baking is... I could go on.
We left the event and the first thing we said to each other was "Wow, I can't believe they didn't ask us a single question".
It's selfish. Period. Just like people that are always late to things, no, it's not a fun personality quirk, it's just rude.
It's not selfish or rude. It's just a different style: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43864532
Has the author never heard of introverts?
On the one extreme you have people who think it's rude to just talk out of nowhere, it's polite to ask questions, and good conversation always starts with a question, and people make sure to frequently alternate asking the next question that changes the topic.
On the other extreme you have people who think it's rude and invasive to just ask questions out of nowhere, it's polite to give space for the other person to talk about whatever they want when they feel ready to, good conversation always starts with someone making an observation about what's on their mind, and follow-up questions are always a thing, but changing the topic is naturally done by the other person then talking about what's on their mind.
Neither is right. Neither is wrong. Most people exist closer to the middle and can adapt easily to either style. They're happy to ask questions if someone doesn't seem to talk otherwise, and they're happy to talk unprompted if the other person doesn't seem to ask them questions.
But if you're at one of the extremes, it can take work to realize that the other person isn't being rude.
If you think someone is "hogging the conversation" and never asking you questions, just talk anyways, even if it seems uncomfortable at first. It's literally what they've been waiting for, and they've probably been wondering why you're not talking and why they have to keep filling the silence since you aren't contributing interesting things to the conversation about yourself.
On the other hand, if someone just doesn't seem to be talking, try asking questions, even if it seems uncomfortable at first. It's literally what they've been waiting for, and they've probably been wondering why you're not asking things and why they have to keep asking you questions to fill the silence since you aren't contributing interesting questions.
But again -- there's no right and no wrong. I'm deeply disappointed with the article as presenting one style as superior to the other.
"Different strategies for filling the silence": asking or talking. (not quite what you describe) makes sense. One of my problems in there is how to gauge whether there is interest at all. I mean if they walk away, then we know, sure. But I also don't need to spend time in this "conversation" if there was no interest and the other person is merely being polite or narcisstic in answering my questions forever. Nowadays I do feel somewhat ready sometimes to prod outright, something like "what's your interest in this" - but it's not exactly subtle.
But sometimes someone will ask me something high level, like where do you work, and I’ll answer literally, and I sort of expect them to ask a follow up question like I would but they don’t.
It feels like they are expecting me to talk about it at length if I want to, and that my brief answer indicates that I don’t want to talk about it.
Does anyone relate to this problem?
When last did this happen to you?
I'm shocked at how horribly the author may have misinterpreted the situation.
When the person looked at her expectantly... they weren't waiting for a treat, for goodness sakes. They were waiting for the author to do the talking for the next 20 minutes. That expectant look is -- I've been doing all the talking, now it's your turn please!
The author doesn't seem to understand the very basic ideas of how non-askers engage in conversation.: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43864532
I’m sorry but if all you can do is talk about yourself and not have a conversation, you are not worth my time.
If you think it’s okay to let the other person lead the entire conversation maybe you need to learn some social skills
andrewstuart•10h ago