The noname battery at half the price may be great (even identical to the branded points, or better) or it may not be. If I do not know that it has a such serious flaw I do not want to use it.
A bunch of these made-for-Amazon brands are just a middleman in China selling white label products from an unspecified manufacturer. Oberdorf v. Amazon means that Amazon can be sued in Pennsylvania, but does not establish liability for other jurisdictions.
The third-party seller is almost certainly liable, but they're a shell company in a country that is difficult for the legal systems of western countries to access. The manufacturer might have some liability, but it's difficult to establish exactly who that is, and they might reasonably claim that they're not selling a finished consumer product, so their only liability is to their customer the middleman.
I think making Amazon liable probably is the best solution, but the courts haven't done it for most of the USA, and I doubt congress will.
So he's kind of on to something. But yeah, probably just got a rare dud.
On the other hand, I've only had good experiences so I tend to reach for Anker when I need a USB adapter, cable, or power bank. They're established enough that I know I have support if needed, and (IMO) their stuff is decent quality.
I pay probably 30% more over the cheapie and know I'm actually getting what it says in the label, and that they are a long-lived reputable company that generally stands by their stuff.
It's one of the few things I buy off Amazon that I actually trust.
But never got an email affirming my submission so... I dunno.
This power bank is actually an old one that I don't really use anymore, but if I get a chance to get a replacement, I sure don't mind. So hopefully it went through?
I don't keep lithium packs for more than a few years. Once they start showing signs of serious capacity loss and degradation they get replaced.
> The recall covers about 1,158,000 units that were sold online through Amazon, Newegg, and eBay between June 2016 and December 2022. The affected batteries can be identified by the Anker logo engraved on the side with the model number A1263 printed on the bottom edge. However, Anker is only recalling units sold in the US with qualifying serial numbers. To check if yours is included, you’ll need to visit Anker’s website:
https://www.anker.com/a1263-recall-form
See article for additional details, but that's the important part.
So the customers outside the US can go F themselves and burn in a fire? Or have they sold those faulty units only in the US. Because I doubt there's any difference between the US and EU powerbanks SKUs.
Based on what? I can absolutely see them having different suppliers. But even if they have the same supplier, it could be the case that only the lots destined for US had the defect.
Contact Anker. There could be regulatory or logistical or other reasons why they aren't rolling this out outside of the US (yet).
Customers buying a product, being told it that might burn your house down and then being told you're not eligible for recall because you don't live in a very specific part of the world is not worth getting worked up about?
Yes, correct. Let's look at the facts.
- Anker states this is a US model.
- They sold about 1.2 million units of this model.
- Of those units, a reported 19 units have caught fire.
- If my math is correct, that equates to 0.00001% of the units sold.
- This is a USB battery, not a pacemaker. If you have grave concerns, stop using it until Anker swaps it out.
- It cost me $25 over 6 years ago.
That said, I have one of the affected units and called the Anker number in the recall notice. While I was on call with Anker, I asked them if people outside the US could swap them and their answer boiled down to "Probably, but you may need to pay extra for shipping."
Do you have one of these units? Did you contact Anker and were told "no"?
If not, what are you getting worked up about?
But upvoted for helping everyone realize that’s a problem
> To proceed with the recall request, you must provide valid order information.
I only buy from big brands though. Works never buy no name stuff.
Mechanical abuse isn't the only way to get a Li-ion fire. Failing to properly balance cells in series is electrical abuse with two likely outcomes, both of which can cause thermal runaway (fire/explosion):
The normal operating range for Li-ion cells is 2.7-4.2V. Discharging one below 2.7V causes chemical breakdown inside the cell that results in an internal short circuit. Attempting to charge an internally-shorted cell causes substantial heat generation, potentially leading to thermal runaway.
The other outcome is reverse charging, which occurs during discharge. If one cell in a series is performing substantially worse than others, or the charging circuit doesn't ensure the entire series is in the same state of charge, it can actually drop below zero volts, then get charged in reverse by the other cells. This rapidly leads to bad chemistry and thermal runaway.
It's simple to prevent both of these problems by having the battery management system monitor the voltage of every cell individually, but that costs more.
it's impossible to control the whole supply chain as a consumer
Years ago an air fryer I bought there was recalled. We sent the unit off and received a replacement. Nevertheless Amazon kept displaying the message. So I ignore it. It's there very day.
After seeing this article I wondered if I'd bought an affected unit so went to the Amazon order history page. Still displaying the message saying I have a recalled item. But if I click that message it displays two of the Anker batteries (and the Air Fryer, still).
Lesson is that you should click that link once in a while..
And Jeff if you're reading: make the message say "A new item has been added to your recall list".
Our big batteries, other than the EV in the garage, are from the e-foil, they are like 40lbs, lots of energy.
Everything is either pay walled, requires login, or the off chance I can see the article in full - there are so many trackers built into everything that my ad blocker breaks links. Case in point, I can’t even view the official Anker recall page.
It’s really been a shame to watch the demise of The Verge over the years.
Welcome to the internet, sadly this is what it has become. I always run articles through archive.is because they're a nightmare/impossible to view otherwise.
It gets even worse when you're on mobile, shit popping up everywhere constantly, ads in the middle of articles, auto playing video ads, etc.
I even pay ~$26/mo for a subscription to a local news site and they STILL show me ads.
- (this) A1263/PowerCore 10K https://www.anker.com/a1263-recall
- A1642|A1647|A1652/Anker 334 MagGo/PowerCore 10k partial recall in 2024 https://www.anker.com/a1642-a1647-a1652-recall
- A1366/535 Power Bank/PowerCore 20K in 2023 https://www.anker.com/a1366-recall
from the page:
- Anker PowerCore 10000 power bank -Recalled in June, 2025
- Anker 334 MagGo Battery (PowerCore 10K)/Anker Power Bank/Anker MagGo Power Bank - Recalled in September, 2024
- Anker 321 Power Bank (PowerCore 5K) - Recalled in June, 2024
- Anker 535 Power Bank (PowerCore 20K) - Recalled in February, 2023
edit: forever formattingI probably wouldn't have noticed it until way too late if my cat hadn't happened to sleep next to it on the same table. He had a sudden scare of the fire and jumped quickly off the table. It looked so weird that I went and looked what he was afraid of and saw flames coming of the half-melted charger and the wire. The desk was full of paper and junk, it was seconds away from catching fire in a way that I probably couldn't put down anymore as I live in a flat and don't own a fire estinquisher. (We only have a fire blanket in the kitchen but that wouldn't have helped much.)
I will never save few bucks from charger wires or chargers or power banks like these ever again -- it's just not worth it!
That all said, don't have any experience from Anker devices myself but in my experience you typically get what you pay for when buying cheap.
Buying cheap would be the drop-shipped 'brands' that exist for all of 5 minutes. TNAHEK or FGUYJ or similar unpronounceable all-caps nonsense. (Or 'GoodLife' or 'SuccessDream' or something.)
TekMol•15h ago
Could their batteries start to burn at some point? I mean when not using the phone at all, just keeping it in a drawer, turned off.
haunter•15h ago
Filligree•15h ago
So an explosion is _less likely_ than for a battery actively in use, but not impossible. Lithium ion batteries aren’t collectibles.
WillAdams•14h ago
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potato3732842•14h ago
That's basically just saying "you can burn anything" but in words that are attrativce to the audiences biases.
Yeah, there's a bit more to go wrong with a dead battery than the plastic and whatnot device it's in but if it can't ignite itself it can't ignite itself and that's more or less the end of the story.
benterix•14h ago
This single event made me a bit more cautious about batteries in general. There are decades of no accidents and then unexpectedly something like this happens.
[0] Yest I still think Kinect was ahead of its time and I'm very sorry it got discontinued
rahimnathwani•13h ago
Reubachi•13h ago
My attic and furnished top floor room adjacent to it can on a bad day get to 110 without the attic fan on. Very old NE colonial on a hill getting full sun from sunrise to sunset.
Items i cannot keep up there, as I have watched them explode or turn into puddles of goo: Aersol cans (oils, cleaners, sunscreen etc) Normal squeeze trigger bottles (IE, chemical cleaners, auto detailer) Tapes, adhesives Electronics
numpad0•12h ago
1: pp.28. https://www.crepim.fr/DOCS_CLIENT/Aircraft-FAA-Energy%20Dens...
bradlys•14h ago
I won’t be storing such items in combustible containers anymore even though the risk is pretty low and they mostly just swell.
Workaccount2•13h ago
We have billions and billions of old devices with ancient batteries laying around, pretty much every house in the developed world has at least one, more likely multiple, lithium batteries laying around dead for years.
There is no need to do research or dig into it, the experiment has already been running for years in every house in the nation, and random battery fires are still rare enough to be news worthy. If you find a forbidden pillow (swelled battery pouch), dispose of it, but even those almost never convert to fire/explosion.
faeyanpiraat•13h ago
Workaccount2•12h ago
Lithium batteries are just prime fear porn for the media to run with. New and scary technology. But the statistics paint a wildly different picture.
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parsimo2010•13h ago
Letting phone batteries drain naturally is pretty safe, because just leaving it in a low-power mode over time will cause it to self-drain at a pretty slow pace over several months. They should still be disposed of with electronics recycling so that the toxic stuff can be handled, but leaving a phone in a drawer is normally safe. Software bugs that try to turn the phone on into a high-power state right at the safety threshold are the biggest risks, or that you might try to turn it on yourself right at the safety threshold.
Phone fires are typically from software bugs that fail to cut power at the safety threshold, either while a user is trying to squeeze out the last few percent of battery, or if they are in luggage and presumably jostled and buttons keep getting pushed.
philjohn•13h ago
If they're not swelling, it's fine. If they're swelling, get them out of the house, preferaly into a metal bucket filled with sand.
[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/spicypillows/