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The Militarization of Silicon Valley

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/04/technology/google-meta-openai-military-war.html
70•cadertots•2h ago

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Jgoauh•2h ago
https://web.archive.org/web/20250804215602/https://www.nytim...

Well Dark-Enlightenment has been speeding up since trump took office. I am not surprised that the neo fascist movent aiming to transform Silicon Valley tech giants into authoritatian city states would embrace and strenghen its relationship with the military. Someone is gonna need to defend your company-state proprety against minorities, former employees and the annoying non-fascists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Enlightenment

assword•1h ago
The only cope I guess I can find, is that there’s a good chance they just blow themselves up or something because they decided to “move fast and break things (TM)” with their weapons.
Jgoauh•1h ago
yes, they have the old belief that ethics slow down science. Those people are wrong about everything and incapable of science, or progress, even by accident. Their beliefs are incoherent and baseless, this attempt will fail and crumble under its own contradictions, as all the previous ones have.
tolerance•1h ago
You're on the right track but omitting a crucial element that comes before crumbling failure.

Tactical control and an embedded influence that ensures that "failure" never manifests in the way that it has for civilizations past.

"They" pivot. From keyboards to motorbikes. Nuclear power plants to...'sex toys'.

Pivot in such a way you can't really point a finger at who's to blame and before you've got a handle on it they've spun around into something else again.

Jgoauh•1h ago
yeah the everchanging nature is hard to keep up with, it always mutates, their failure will hurt many innocents around them, not sure what you mean about the sextoys and motorbikes tho, are there neo fascist sextoys and bikes brand i don't know about ?
sfitz•59m ago
I think they're alluding to Yamaha and Hitachi, which both made machinery for the Japanese Military in WWII.
pfdietz•25m ago
"Move fast and break things" is normal for weapons development in time critical situations, like during wars.
Jtsummers•16m ago
And for special forces, in particular, both in and out of wartime. They'll take systems straight from a lab or buy drones off Amazon or even commission their own cheap $5k (cheap at the time) drones to conduct their efforts.

The rest of DOD has shifted to very conservative approaches to system development and sustainment (for better or worse, mostly worse IMO). It's stuck in the mindset of "This aircraft platform will be around for 50 years." Which is not conducive to the move fast, breaking things or not, approach.

moc_was_wronged•37m ago
Silicon Valley has always been authoritarian. The difference is that, before 2016, they were disinterested in macro politics and knew that centrist liberalism was maximally socially acceptable. They’re now at the scale where The Big Game matters to them and, surprise surprise, the same people who fire employees over blog posts are also not afraid of fascism.
cpursley•1h ago
Full circle. I mean, isn't that the valleys origin?
Jtsummers•1h ago
> I mean, isn't that the valleys origin?

Yes, discussed in the article, too.

tharne•1h ago
Yup, the military is one of the few remaining institutions interested in funding long-term research without an obvious immediate payout.
krunck•1h ago
That's only because the military is the only institution that get's all the funding it asks for and then it get even more on top of that. Too bad we can't fund civilian science that way.
warkdarrior•28m ago
Call me when civilian science organizes a dick-waving parade in DC.
rzazueta•19m ago
Have you never been to a Maker Faire?
esafak•1h ago
Yes. (Military) necessity is the mother of invention. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTC_RxWN_xo
jandrewrogers•17m ago
Yes. And the "militarization" has always been active in Silicon Valley. There has never been a time when tech wasn't heavily involved with the DoD. The only thing that changes is how publicly they talk about it. Currently it is fashionable to talk about it again.

There has been an article like this every few years since at least the 1990s where someone (re-)discovers that Silicon Valley works closely with DoD. Almost every startup delivering genuinely novel technology will have a relationship with some part of the DoD whether they talk about it or not, it has always worked that way. People who think startups are not working with DoD are deluding themselves.

The government has generally taken a "buy one of everything" approach to evaluating new technology. They are actually an interesting early customer to work with, which is why so many startups do.

johndhi•1h ago
I wonder if this relates heavily to the Wall Street- and MBA-izatoin of Silicon Valley? It's just plain as day that building weapons is a really good business opportunity... so it isn't super surprising that as the companies become more practical and finance focused they'd get into this.
nmeofthestate•1h ago
It's related to the Ukraine war (and the advance of China's military) showing that the US has work to do to update their military capabilities for future conflicts. Hard to see how the US could achieve this without involving SV.
cholantesh•1h ago
That's the pretext, yes.
nmeofthestate•51m ago
Please do elaborate.
nemomarx•24m ago
Generally you sell the public on weapons for foreign enemies and then they get used on domestic enemies after that. Surveillance tech and drones have plentiful police use cases for instance
psunavy03•52m ago
Judging by this thread people aren't interested in any kind of serious discussion of the geopolitical reasons for this. They just want to make childish remarks about the "military-industrial complex" and spout tinfoil hat conspiracy theories.
asciii•1h ago
I think the title should be the “Re-Militarization” of Silicon Valley, bc that’s where it all came from anyway (as the title describes).
electricwater•1h ago
Wasnt' Silicon Valley born as a military R&D cluster? DARPA, Cold War defense contracts, and space race funding built the region. To me, the consumer internet phase from the late 1990s to early 2000s was actually the anomaly. The so called pacifist tech culture was a product of “peak liberalism” roughly 1991–2001 (fall of the soviet union to 9/11), the unipolar moment after the Cold War but before 9/11. US tech companies operated in a geopolitical environment without military rivals, so they could afford to frame themselves as apolitical, globalist, and focused on connecting the world. That cultural posture began to collapse after 9/11, and it has been eroding ever since under the pressures of great-power competition, terrorism, and the realization that software/chips are strategic assets. The pendulum is swinging... We aren't at McCarthyism yet but we are on a path to it.
stackskipton•1h ago
It predates Cold War and comes from WWII when US Navy was throwing money around to get better code cracking, radar, gunnery computers and so forth.
pjmorris•1h ago
Steve Blank's 'Secret History of Silicon Valley' is great background here. [0]

[0] https://steveblank.com/secret-history/

KerrAvon•52m ago
What do you mean we aren’t at McCarthyism yet? We have blown well past McCarthyism. The US is a bona fide fascist dictatorship RIGHT NOW. Anonymous state agents are kidnapping US citizens off the street for deportation to third world countries. This is wildly and transparently illegal, but there is nothing in place to enforce the law because they’ve corrupted the DOJ, which is supposed to enforce the law.

They haven’t destroyed every vestige of liberal democracy — the states can fight and there are still courtroom battles — but the fascists own the enforcement mechanisms for justice, and don’t feel bound by the outcomes. The guardrails are gone.

Do not harbor illusions that we’re going to return to normality in our lifetimes. It’s possible something new and better will take over once the Trump regime is somehow ended, but I doubt it; they’re trashing the place pretty thoroughly.

Cipater•49m ago
From the article:

>Silicon Valley’s militarization is in many ways a return to the region’s roots.

>Before the area was a tech epicenter, it was a bucolic land of fruit orchards. In the 1950s, the Defense Department began investing in tech companies in the region, aiming to compete with Russia’s technological advantages in the Cold War. That made the federal government the first major backer of Silicon Valley.

>The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, a division of the Department of Defense, later incubated technology — such as the internet — that became the basis for Silicon Valley’s largest companies. In 1998, the Stanford graduate students Sergey Brin and Larry Page received funding from Darpa and other government agencies to create Google.

JKCalhoun•1h ago
https://archive.md/mG7Gf
zombot•1h ago
Or is it the silicon-valley-ization of the military? I mean, they've corrupted everything else, why wouldn't they be able to corrupt the military as well?
esafak•1h ago
Both. I guess that makes it the merger of corporations and government, which is called...
dkdcio•1h ago
the military industrial complex? if only we were warned…
KerrAvon•1h ago
If only we’d been warned back in the mid-20th century, when rules could have been put into place to prevent it. Maybe that Eisenhower fellow could have said something.
thatguy0900•51m ago
I struggle to see what 20th century rules would actually prevent it. We have entered a age where rules are very casually ignored
vjvjvjvjghv•1h ago
The defense contractors can do corruption just fine without Silicon Valley. SV just wants to join the money party.
joshbaptiste•1h ago
Makes sense.. the elites have outsourced much of the US manufacturing capacity during the neo-liberalism era.. and one of the major exports that still remain is defense and since capital always needs an avenue to exploit, defense is what it is for the capital giants.
vjvjvjvjghv•1h ago
They were libertarians until they realized that working with a friendly government is even more profitable. We see more and more a merger of business and government. I think there is a name for that but I don’t recall at the moment.
ahmeneeroe-v2•1h ago
Always important to note that when the NYT talks about SV, they're talking about a competitor and an existential business threat.
conn10mfan•51m ago
not a very useful comment, respond to the claims on their merit, whether NYT sees SV as adversarially really has limited bearing on determining if their critiques are valid, especially given that they are reporting on real phenomenon
ahmeneeroe-v2•36m ago
People will generally approach information differently if they know the source of that information has a financial interest in pushing a certain narrative.

E.g. hedge funds or short sellers publishing financial advice is seen as "talking their book" rather than high quality analysis.

conn10mfan•12m ago
respond to the claims in the article
moritzwarhier•7m ago
"Silicon valley" is not a media company though.

I find it absurd to think that the NYT would hope to achieve some commercial advantage by (and being able to) "slander" big software as a whole.

That makes no sense to me.

You could also say that every member of this board should be considered biased towards journalism as a whole, because most work for companies who have nothing to win from independent journalism.

Maybe some even work for direct competitors (online media) or companies with an interest to thwart the independence of journalism?

Framing the NYT as a competitor to SV as a whole also says that SV would be a competitor to journalism: that makes no sense to me.

Which one of the MAG7 is a journalism company? I know Amazon owns The Washington Post and I know that Alphabet and MS want to use content from journalists without paying and best replace journalism with AI or at least become a gatekeeper.

> Whatever a patron desires to get published is advertising; whatever he wants to keep out of the paper is news

(unknown)

bgwalter•48m ago
SV does not have the institutional knowledge, reporters on the ground or the kind of determination for thankless work that makes a newspaper great.

The NYT should do more investigative journalism, but it is better than nothing. SV pundits just recycle and comment on news stories that the mainstream press has reported.

SV outlets will never go after the "deep state" apart from performative complaining because they are in it and get the money from it.

I wish the NYT/WaPo were as good as in the 1980s in terms of investigative reporting, but that is what we have.

biophysboy•37m ago
This is outdated - NYT is doing great business-wise despite silicon valley. You could even argue SV has helped NYT among its news competitors
ahmeneeroe-v2•33m ago
NYT stock is basically flat to the early 2000s. They missed out on 20-years of growth.
biophysboy•18m ago
Don't get me wrong, digital ads/classifieds absolutely threatened NYT in the 2000s. I'm simply claiming they have adapted and its working (paywalls, subscriptions, talent acquisition, etc)
warkdarrior•29m ago
NYT competes with SV in the news and entertainment domains, but not in the military domain (to my knowledge). So I do not think this comment is meaningful.
JSteph22•20m ago
It used to be that the propaganda needed to launch a war (Iraq) would be published by the NYTs of the world, but even that is no longer needed thanks to social media.
drdrek•59m ago
Military drones have a lot of cross pollination with civilian drones, each advance the other. Its inevitable and expected. I think that the fake separation of Military and Civilian technology facade is just ending, nothing really changed except the language of press releases.
advisedwang•52m ago
Eisenhower warned of the military-industrial complex. Hell, Fascism at times has meant the merging of corporations and the state. This is the same thing. The important thing to recognize is its groups of power making an alliance - not that its an true economic or military strategy.

although that's useless as a definition of fascism

moc_was_wronged•42m ago
It’s not new. The MIC built Silicon Valley.
morninglight•40m ago
This is not new.

Does anyone else remember the good old days when the Secretary of Defense would fly to Redmond to meet with Bill Gates?

horns4lyfe•34m ago
So where do people think the money to build all those moon shots came from in the first place?
ecshafer•32m ago
This is a good thing. The traditional big defense contractors have largely become incompetent. We need software companies with actual expertise in software, machine learning, ai, computer vision, etc. to make these next generation technologies. Couple this with the willingness of SV to pay employees, we might see some actual engineering being done. Palantir, SpaceX, Anduril, etc. have already shown they are capable of creating new products below budget, and ahead of schedule, something that Boeing, Lockheed, and friends have been unable to do since the soviet union fell.
bgwalter•14m ago
Microsoft's multi-year Hololens project has failed. Now they are doubling down in a joint effort with Anduril:

https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/1/24259369/microsoft-holole...

I don't see Anduril producing anything like the B2 or the F22 or nuclear submarines, all of which are the really important technologies. Oculus VR isn't really successful, VR is shoehorned into Army applications "because high tech". Given that the army is unliklely to be deployed and soldiers probably hate the VR headsets this is just more waste.

ahmeneeroe-v2•6m ago
The pendulum of mil-tech has moved solidly to "many & cheap" and away from "few & expensive", so I personally hope that Anduril isn't stupid enough to produce "anything like the B2, etc"

That said, they are definitely competing against nuclear subs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgNCHZBJxsM

zhengiszen•32m ago
Silicon valley has been an active party to the current genocide in Gaza. It is in fact well documented and will certainly be studied by future generations. If fascism doesn't own everything in between.
nemomarx•23m ago
The US as a whole has been a party to it, so I'm not sure SV will stick out if we're lucky enough to have future generations who aren't fash
robg•29m ago
Wasn’t the birth of Silicon Valley funded by military resources?
OrvalWintermute•18m ago
There is a paradigm shift that has occurred with the realization of the impending war drums beating for Blocs in East (China+allies) vs West (US+allies) and how it relates to our technocratic centers in SV & other key locations.

In the West if you run afoul of political elites in the worst case: you get imprisoned & cancelled, potentially bankrupted.

If speaking out mildly: you may have some dueling op-eds or lose a contract/customer. Big whoop

In the best case: you'll make tons of money and have great quality of life provided you don't become an overt monopoly, but even if you get broken up you'll make even more money.

***********************

In the East if you run afoul of political elites in the worst case: you & your family will be disappeared, executed or harvested for body parts

If speaking out mildly: you may get sent to a re-education camp and lose control of your company & assets, or eat a negative social credit score

In the best case: you'll make tons of money and have great quality of life provided the Nation does not choose to nationalize you.

***********************

While I may be broadly grouped on the nuanced Paleo-Libertarian R faction, I've been pretty content to work with my very L colleagues, that is the influential in our industry.

But let us not mistake the best case, likely case, and worst cases for the very different world views of East vs West.

As much as I have an anti-Color Revolution approach, I think much of the L has been very conscious of Ukraine / Chinese Nationalization, and State-Owned Enterprise organized theft of IP and lack of a rule of law.

If it comes down to a question of institutions, and outcomes, most of us vastly prefer those of the West bloc to the East bloc.

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