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Ask HN: Why is Usenet not coming back?

7•Fabeltjeskrant•2h ago
If we want to stay out of the hands of Big Tech and want information / discussions to be distributed and replicated, why are we going back to using Usenet?

Comments

al_borland•2h ago
My guess is people don’t want to deal with the learning curve. If it’s not a website or an app people can just start using, it ends up being a non-starter these days. The pain of big tech is not bigger than the pain of the learning curve for most people.
Rotundo•2h ago
Usenet worked because it started with people that valued the medium. The Netiquette was a voluntary code of conduct. It worked, as long as the influx of people was small enough that they could learn how to behave.

And then the masses got onto the Internet. Lookup the term "Eternal September" [1]. The whole culture got overwhelmed by people that did not value the medium. Spam got out of hand, trolling was a most popular pastime. That killed Usenet, as normal discussion was impossible.

Can Usenet be revived? Not while there is money to be made on the Internet. Any attempt to gather people online gets perverted by someone smelling money.

Usenet was great until the mid-nineties.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September

mathiaspoint•2h ago
One of the forums I often post to frequently went down the other month for a couple weeks (everyone thought it was gone for good) so I went back to idling on IRC for a while.

These things are still there, I occasionally peak at newsgroups from time to time (there are free providers for the text trees) they're just not growing. IMO a lack of growth these days is probably a good thing.

Bender•1h ago
Why is Usenet not coming back?

It likely will. Give it some time for more internet screws to be tightened around the world. Once people see the screws had Loctite applied they will find more alternatives and revive older transports protocols. Usenet is still the vastly superior medium for automatically sharing massive amounts of multimedia content if one filters on pre-shared subjects preshared secrets, GPG signed messages. The spam can be entirely and automagically ignored.

My personal preference will always be anonymous Chroot SFTP and people using the LFTP client with the mirror subsystem and SFTP to split up batch jobs and individual files into multiple TCP streams. It works like rsync but much better as long as there are not massive numbers of nested sub-directories. LFTP+SFTP+mirror can easily max out any fiber connection but can also be rate limited with very granular controls. It's great for small circles of friends being significantly more secure and private. It's also super easy to automate uploads and downloads via cron. For even greater anonymity friends can build their own Tinc VPN mesh open source in a multi-star configuration so people do not see each others IP addresses. Internet bots don't even know what to do with anonymous chroot sftp.

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Because it became full of spam, obscene and illegal material.

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