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Samsung now owns Denon, Bowers and Wilkins, Marantz, Polk, and more audio brands

https://www.theverge.com/news/784390/samsung-harman-masimo-audio-acquisition-complete
83•thelastgallon•1h ago

Comments

theandrewbailey•1h ago
Can we expect the Samsungization of these brands? Should we be on the lookout for locked-down audio ecosystems, ever more extraneous features, phone apps, and smart appliances?

Ewww.

jen20•1h ago
I'd be particularly worried about the ones with screens [1].

[1]: https://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-confirms-smart-refr...

63stack•1h ago
I wouldn't put it past Samsung to find a way to inject ads into gadgets even without screens. Like mandatory open the samsung app every time you connect your headphones and such. They are scummy as fuck.
catlikesshrimp•29m ago
Why not an audio ad? They can buffer the next couple ads when connected to the internet. You can also have the app, monenitazion is not picky.
koolba•1h ago
Why wouldn’t you want your speaker to automatically play ads when your music is paused? We can even have them be relevant ads by having them covertly listen to your conversations to analyze for context sensitive keywords.
JKCalhoun•48m ago
I was in a Target yesterday and saw a Samsung TV with a "warning" label on the box. Essentially: "some features not available without consent to tracking of viewing habits".

I should take a photo and post.

vincnetas•40m ago
this would be express ticket to court in EU.
mkozlows•33m ago
Samsung has owned Harman Kardon and its stable of brands for a long time, and they've been mostly fine. Mainly, I think Samsung doesn't care about them except as names to license in "exclusive" partnerships with automakers.
Jackson__•4m ago
I just bought a Samsung Galaxy Tab recently. Of course I was well aware of the death of the 3.5mm headphone port, but as I plugged in my 3.5mm to usb-c adapter I was greeted with a new message: "Analog USB C Audio Unsupported.". I tried a pair of regular off-brand usb-c headphones too, which too resulted in the same, with no audio output.

How this is not behavior deserving of some kind of EU fine is a complete mystery to me.

Gigachad•1h ago
Guessing this doesn’t affect Denon DJ / inmusic?
input_sh•40m ago
inMusic is just a different conglomerate owning Akai, Alesis, Moog, M-Audio, Denon DJ, Numark, Rane...

If Samsung buys them as well (which didn't happen right now, but I'm sure it's what they're aiming for), the monopolization will be complete and the Live Nation-ification can truly begin.

A similar story is happening to festivals (especially across Europe), with KKR-owned Superstruct Entertainment now having majority stake in like a hundred or so music festivals.

mc32•1h ago
There are quite a few independent old British brands in audio. I hope they stay small niche and independent in the face of consolidation and some genuine competition from China. There are Danish and Finnish brands too and the odd French one. Anyway I hope they can remain independent even as they move some parts of their manufacturing to Asia.

Curiously you can follow some designers from shop to shop as they move in their career evolution.

johnebgd•1h ago
Niche players like SVS Sound or Devialet are much more appealing now that Samsung owns these storied brands.
isoprophlex•1h ago

    > "Sound United’s impressive roster of brands is rooted in a deep passion for sound, innovation, and commitment to quality that aligns with Harman’s own values"
"They gave us money lmao"
Theodores•1h ago
It is interesting how the market for high end audio has changed with the demise of physical media. I don't associate these high end audio brands with the home, however I do associate them with the options on expensive cars.

For the average person with a big TV and standard issue sound bar, an expensive home audio setup has limited appeal. What they have is good enough. However, in the automotive market it is a very different game. For starters, if you have to pay a five or six figure sum for your vehicle, where you are already in the game of specifying options, that expensive audio option isn't that expensive when compared to all of the other 'necessary' options, so you might as well tick the box.

With high end cars, resale value matters. If you have the base specification then this isn't going to fare too well in the second hand market. With some options you are never going to get your money back, but some are 'mandatory', particularly if they are bundled. It seems to me that this is the lucrative niche for high end audio, not the home or other markets. Plus you can sell someone a ridiculous amount of speakers, for example 22 of them, whereas, in the home, nobody has 22 speakers in their living room.

maqp•28m ago
>an expensive home audio setup has limited appeal

The thing is a sound bar can cost more than 2 grand, which gets you nice pair of B&W two-way speakers and an entry-level Marantz, a setup that beats the sound bar any day. Of course I'm a bit unsure what kind of number's you're speaking of.

bluedino•8m ago
$150 soundbar setup from Best Buy is good enough for "most people"
simpaticoder•58m ago
The home audio market has moved on, leaving this consolidation in its wake.

There is something wonderful about listening to physical music recordings without using a screen. It's like cursive writing, or knowing how to drive a stick-shift. But barring a Carrington event, or some moderate-to-severe internet catastrophe, its hard to motivate the utility of this kind of "middle path asceticism". "Shed no tears," the futurists say, since not too long ago most if not all "educated people" knew Greek and Latin, how to use a slide-rule, and how to saddle and ride a horse, and we don't particularly miss those things. I would argue caution, not least of which because this argument is too closely aligned with the market forces that know it's far more profitable to charge you per action than per object. It's always hard to know if we lost something important, or shucked off a barnacle holding us back, until we're looking back. I believe there is a sweet spot between the endless toil of "no technology" and the profound ignorance (and helplessness) that comes from putting everything behind a screen. I suspect that the hi-fi gear between the 1970's and 2010 will continue to be collectible for this reason for at least 100 years.

deadbabe•43m ago
It is more romantic to put on a vinyl record than to play digital music. The physicality of it is a ritual that leads us back into a more physical world, where the things that exist are what you can touch and feel, and every action and reaction comes naturally as a result of raw physical contact, with nothing in between.
Farbklex•38m ago
Yes, ritual is the right word. I used to do it quite a lot during COVID with cassettes and CDs while working.

Helped me to more consciously get into work mode.

Wowfunhappy•31m ago
...okay, but like, couldn't we choose a medium that doesn't physically wear out from repeated playback?

CDs just seem so much better. Yes it's technically digital, but can you tell?

bradly•23m ago
One nice thing about buying vinyl these days is that they almost all come with a DRM free digital download of the album as well. Buying physical records is what has caused my digital music collection to grow the most since my Hotline 1.2.3 days.
bluedino•9m ago
You can't scratch an mp3, ruining your copy.
Scene_Cast2•24m ago
I'll copy-paste a comment I saw on Nikon Rumors (not sure whether it's copypasta or not)

---

I drove my electric BMW the other day, blasting a simulated V8 noise from speakers. It was a cold grey murky day but no rain. I stopped by the gas station to fuel my stomach by a bag of chips and the Snickers bar, because I went without eating a breakfast that morning. I saw a lonely dog by the roadside. It looked sad. I took my digital retro-styled camera with film simulation function out of my retro Billingham bag and took a photo. A little speaker in the camera has simulated the film advance noise just like in the past. Doggo looked at me with its sad eyes and went away. I took a glimpse of a photo of a dog and pressed "film grain +2" in the menu. Lovely shot. I'll post it to the Insta, probably. Then I entered the store, bought my bag of chips and the Snickers bar and saw a vinyl record corner. Man, I love vinyl. Those digital files pressed onto tangible, tactile surface. An AI-generated woman looked at me from the record artwork. Fonts were crooked. The price was $8.99 with a discount. I knew it's a pop record right away. Though, I'd love to blast an IDM track from speakers in my electric BMW alongside with simulated V8 noise, a pop record with vocoder vocals and autotune is also good. I took a record to place the vinyl on the bookshelf in my room. I know I'll be listening to the music via Spotify anyway. Man, I love vinyl. Just like film photography, it reminds me I'm alive. I'm real.

ttoinou•22m ago
"asceticism" with a lot of stuff to buy though

I always wondered if we could replicate the physicality of vinyl / CDs, games ROM etc. through memory cards (like SD Cards) in an enclosure with a label on it with a player made on purpose for them. This way we get physical media, easy to create yourself, not too expensive, in a digital way

jsheard•17m ago
https://kazeta.org is doing something along those lines for games.
walthamstow•14m ago
The Yota player for kids is basically this
t_mann•3m ago
We do have stuff like that, here's an example for kids:

https://tonies.com

They seem quite well made, if not exactly cheap. I believe there's also a way to store your own mp3's, but I don't know how open the interface really is. Ofc you can also make sth like this from scratch.

ghaff•15m ago
After a kitchen fire, with a house clanout, I was actually somewhat disappointed to get back my stereo rather than having it paid for by insurance. I'll hook up my receiver, DVD/stereo, and a couple of fairly large speakers, but I probably won't use much and certainly wouldn't have bought again.
zwnow•10m ago
I worked in this industry for years. Its actually sad what people consider "good" audio nowadays.
Arubis•6m ago
> it's far more profitable to charge you per action than per object.

This is a really insightful and concise descriptor.

xattt•53m ago
What is left? Any recommendations for a modern-day receiver for two-zone 5.1.2 and a 2.1 setup?
ksec•50m ago
Luckily Cambridge Audio is still fully owned by its founder. ( Or same person running it for the past 30 years. )

Sad when I first heard B&W sold 10 years ago. I had their 600 series and still wish someday I could afford their top range model.

chrisweekly•36m ago
Hsu Research is also independent and makes excellent subwoofers and speakers.
linker3000•22m ago
I don't really keep up with the hifi market and seeing the headline was an eye opener.

I used to work in a building next to a B&W place where they either made speakers or at least the drive units. The day was punctuated regularly by rather loud audio frequency sweeps!

walthamstow•8m ago
I've always liked Dali for speakers. Still independent and Danish-owned so, like Lego, unlikely to sell out.
AfterHIA•10m ago
This is tangentially related-- I was a professional guitar player in the my 20's. When we were kids there were a handful of really great bands in the western United States like The Warlocks, The Cosmonauts, The Shivas, Super 78!, and especially the Brian Jonestown Massacre that thrived off of a huge culture of music enthusiasm that was especially, "tapes and records first. CD's are for the car."

Now outside of a handful of stalwart groups I don't see anybody making, "canonical" rock n' roll music in the, "post Velvet Underground" sense. It's, "correlation vs causation" but I can't help but feel that it was Spotify and streaming that killed this culture. Music became an, "everybody" thing that had no barrier to entry. Music subculture died. Fashion came next. Film has been declining since the 2000's.

I can stand you destroying my country's political culture but should have left it alone. It feels like an Albigensian Crusade.

mickeyp•2m ago
Yeesh. "Those darn 40+-something millennials and their differing tastes!"

Rock 'died' because it's been around for 50 years; were the favourite of boomers who ensured it always had air-time; and now they're out to pasture and other music styles reign. My dad was a pro drummer in the 70s and hated everything that wasn't rock or metal. He was incapable of appreciating anything else. Or so he said.

As a kid of the 90s, I could never quite find music that fit me. Sure, I liked some rock and roll, pop, and so on --- but when I was first introduced to techno (Antiloop - Believe, to be specific) at a LAN party I knew I'd found my home: techno and then trance.

But good luck finding Antiloop or the nascent trance on MTV or commercial radio in the 90s. The people who ran those things didn't like it, know about it, listen to it, or felt it had commercial value. So I had to learn about it from randos at a LAN party.

Dwedit•6m ago
Literally, the only thing I know about "Denon" is that they once tried to sell a $500 Ethernet cable.

https://www.cnet.com/culture/denons-500-ethernet-cable/

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