“Stop. Don’t. Come back.”
Hahahahahahaha.
It'll also take a lot for Apple to be able to spin this as "the EU is banning us from selling iPhones" when it's their decision.
I'm not sure why you thought your point was such a checkmate, as if I have a problem with the company itself, rather than the practice.
Iphones will he gone, there will be an influx of meizu or whatever chinese alternatives are.
They'll simply loose some market share.
I can’t see any potential issues with that, China and Russia are great friends of Europe!
Are Macs next in the line?
Nobody believes what Americans say, be that Trump, Elon or Apple. They're all full of shit, and they rarely do what they say. The average junkie is a more reliable source on what Apple will do than Apple itself.
Public companies will happily can the entire management team if they cause as little as a 5% dip in stock price. Apples EU revenue is larger than China and Japan combined. Voluntarily forfeiting that is like the modern management equivalent of ritual self-sacrifice: afterwards, they would have so much unsold stock on their hands that it’s going to tank prices worldwide.
I think you've confused 'Europe' in Apple's reporting (which actually includes all of the middle east) for the EU (which notably excludes the UK, Norway, Russia, etc.)
Apple doesn't report it's EU revenue (and there's confusion about numbers reported on an analyst call in 2024.)
It will actually help the EU companies to fill in the gap.
Signed from my iPhone, with an iPad on the table next to me, and a Mac Studio and Apple TV at home.
My love will turn to hate of they do this. That’s the danger with building something people love, it can flip to hatred. They should wield that responsibility carefully.
Sent from an iPhone 15 Pro.
Eg. AirPods work better with iPhones than Bluetooth. Why? Because of software integration. Apple Photos works better than third party photo management apps because of the OS to application integration.
The EU should require hardware makers to define compatibility tests and anyone that passes the compatibility test can become a drop in replacement for the vendor’s own apps.
This would increase consumer choice, competition, and reduce ecosystem lock-in. All of which will make things better for consumers.
The blog post cites an article from The Guardian, with the headline "Apple calls for changes to anti-monopoly laws and says it may stop shipping to the EU". In that article, nothing is mentioned about ceasing iPhone sales. It does say: "warning that unless it is amended the company could stop shipping some products and services to the 27-country bloc" and elsewhere: "It did not specify which products could in future be prevented from being distributed in the EU, but said that the Apple Watch, first released a decade ago, might not be released today in the EU"
The actual press release from Apple seems to be https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2025/09/the-digital-markets-a... and if there's anything in there that supports the headline of this HN submission, it's too subtle for me to find. I think this submission is unreasonably sensationalized, with the predictable effect that the comments here are mostly knee-jerk reactions to the (false) headline instead of discussion of the validity or lack thereof of any specific complaints from Apple.
What's news to me is apparently the European Commission is required to conduct a review of the DMA every three years, including collecting feedback from the public (both users and businesses). So Apple's complaints aren't coming out of the blue; they're part of that feedback process.
I bet the investors and the stock price would LOVE that
This is about Apple excluding features specifically in the EU.
No where does any of the reports linked to mention iPhones specifically. The first story has:
> Apple has called for the European Commission to repeal a swathe of technology legislation, warning that unless it is amended the company could stop shipping some products and services to the 27-country bloc.
That could be AirPods and other accessories. It could be perhaps features, like has already been done with recent live translation.
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MS would later re-sell Nokia to HMD in 2016, who still release some feature-phones, including ones running an "S30+" OS that has nothing to do with Symbian.
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gruez•27m ago
I'm nowhere near a 2 year upgrade cycle but the fact that you think a 18 year old phone serves you "very well", and therefore Nokia phones aren't crappy shows how out of touch you are. There's zero chance the average person would think the same.
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perching_aix•32m ago
As for what people are buying and not buying, according to statcounter [0], the smartphone market in the EU is a third Apple, a third Samsung, and then the final third is a scattershot of other Android devices, primarily Xiaomi.
This is in contrast with a 57.27% foothold in the US. It's a different world.
To put it into perhaps an even more grappling perspective, that whole green bubble vs blue bubble thing? I've first heard of it only just a few years ago from Marques Brownlee on YouTube. Never encountered it in real life prior or since.
[0] https://gs.statcounter.com/vendor-market-share/mobile/europe
gruez•22m ago
Funny you're invoking that when the fact that someone chose to buy apple at all means they thought it was the best option, according to their opinion. By banning apple you're necessarily making those people buy a crappier phone.
perching_aix•19m ago
You do realize by the way that this would mean the majority of people here then consider iphones the crappier option by your logic?
gruez•14m ago
And that's fine. Most people don't but Porches or Subarus. That doesn't mean they're "crappier"
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StopDisinfo910•29m ago
Honestly even if Google somehow decided to stop selling Android to Europe, something which seems extremely unlikely, it would swiftly be replaced by Chinese alternatives with no obvious loss of functionality.
Apple has zero leverage with the "we will stop selling" strategy. It’s just there so they look less pathetic when it comes to what they are actually doing: bribing Trump so he intervenes for them. We really have come a long way from the "Think different" company.
gjsman-1000•50m ago
They are calling the EU's bluff, and it's possibly a smart business decision to do so.
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CafeRacer•41m ago
I mean, realistically, most of the loud words are just that.
pembrook•23m ago
Part of this is China being a far more dynamic, high risk, Wild West-style capitalist system that’s communist only in very specific areas.
The other part being, you don’t really have to write stuff down as much when you can just manipulate subjects of your authoritarian regime at will.
LunaSea•36m ago
Or built by Nokia, a European firm that was bought by Microsoft?
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ranger_danger•45m ago
I don't think so... EU is only 7% of their revenue globally according to their CFO, and DMA can fine them up to 10% of global revenue, so it may actually be cheaper to just leave the market.
troupo•42m ago
I hardly believe that a wealthy continent with a population of 450 million is just 7% of their revenue.
gjsman-1000•42m ago
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gjsman-1000•35m ago
France? Their debt is killing their country and causing escalating political crises.
Germany? Energy costs are killing their competitiveness. Hard to compete with energy costs of $0.44 per kWh on average; before labor costs.
Italy? Need I say more? Their economy is notoriously stagnant.
The remaining 24 EU countries make up less than 50% of the EU's GDP. Meanwhile, US and EU GDP went from almost 1:1 in 2008, to 1:0.65 and still declining.
To give you a sense of how severe Germany's problems are, the US state of Mississippi is almost ready to pass Germany's GDP per capita.
troupo•28m ago
2. None of that says that the EU isn't rich
3. None of that proves that the bullshit about revenue
Do you know how I know that? Because that "7%" comes from this quote: "Just to keep it in context, the changes apply to the EU market, which represents roughly 7% of our global App Store revenue."
App Store revenue is not all of Apple's revenue. Oh, and those same execs claim they don't even know if App Store makes money or loses it, so how would they know.
jacquesm•20m ago
I've actually lived on both sides of the Atlantic. And there is wealth on both sides and there is poverty on both sides. But the gap between rich and poor is much more pronounced on the US side than in the EU. Energy costs are a small fraction of the total expenses. Mississippi is not a good comparison to Germany and if you just stare at the GDP you will miss a lot of quality-of-life indicators that would make me choose to live in Germany long before I would want to live in a backwater state in the USA. And that's assuming the USA will survive the current onslaught on its institutions.
So stop bullshitting and start thinking about what the real world differences are between countries and then strive to improve the one you can have an effect on rather than just seeing this as a numerical game of put-downs that make absolutely no sense at all.
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gruez•3m ago
As opposed to comparing a country of 340M with countries with populations anywhere between 33k to 143M?
gruez•37m ago
Given the threat of securities fraud lawsuits, I'm liable to believe them over some random commenter casting doubt with zero evidence.
jacquesm•25m ago
gruez•18m ago
It was taken out of context by some random blogger, whereas the gp was implying company executives were lying. My point that we should trust company executives over random internet commenters still holds.
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gruez•8m ago
No you. You're well aware that wasn't my point and are trying to put words in my mouth in a pathetic attempt to save face.
> After all, you chose to believe the random blogger before.
I made no such implication. In fact I specifically quoted the part that I was responding to.
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lysace•34m ago
https://techcrunch.com/2024/02/01/apple-says-eu-represents-7...
> Apple says EU represents 7% of global App Store revenue
Europe (not EU, but close enough) represents about a quarter of the total Apple revenue. (https://www.visualcapitalist.com/charted-how-apple-makes-its...)
ranger_danger•29m ago
https://daringfireball.net/2024/03/eu_share_of_apples_revenu...
> But the EU represents only 7 percent of Apple’s revenue
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troupo•25m ago
He is very uncaring when it comes to defending Apple and to smearing EU.
Even when shown that his reading is incorrect, he wrote a long article basically saying "so what I was still right" https://daringfireball.net/2024/03/more_on_the_eus_market_mi...