I think it was windows 8 or 10 that introduced the new menus which I found somehow both too simplistic and harder to navigate. And then sometimes you get lucky and figure out a way to open the old menus to do what you actually want.
I think Windows 7 was my favorite as well.
Another thing that it has over XP is that it's better at providing a minimally usable environment post-install, with a better payload of default drivers. I don't miss booting into 256 color 640x480 and trying to get all the hardware in a functional state without a network connection like was a frequent occurrence with XP and older.
I use macOS now and basically hate it.
(but to be honest I have never used Windows 11 and barely used 10)
Also I use a lot of audio softwares and it's hard to run them on Linux, I would need to try how much those download managers (another rant worthy subject) and Windows VSTs can really run on Linux. But when I get a new PC I will.
(EDIT: Actually maybe it was Vista that introduced the inexplicable massive installation size bloat? My memory is fuzzy there)
That's maybe 11's single saving grace: it course corrected and Fluent actually looks pretty good. If only the rest weren't awful.
This was fixed in 2010, about 15 years ago. And it's still the nicest looking UI of any desktop OS to this date:
https://www.deviantart.com/zainadeel/art/Shine-2-0-for-Windo...
It's what "liquid glass" wishes to be.
The whole hype around Win10 loosing support is way overblown…
Obviously I still use Windows 7 Pro 64-bit as my only Microsoft computer — also have an Ubuntu dual Xeon (for LLM/crypto) and several Apple Silicon products (for general browsing).
It is nowadays actually easier to install Ubuntu Linux than a Windows. Just be sure to back up your data to an external hard drive, and restore it from there after the install.
Unfortunately, some of us have to be able to actually get work done in our corporate environments.
1 in 4 people did not switch to Windows 7 in one week https://gs.statcounter.com/windows-version-market-share/desk.... It's really quite jarring this is not the focus of discussion.
What's wrong with Win 11 exactly?
The initial trigger was their Telemetry you cannot switch off. That stuff had a huge extremely negative press exposure for many months.
W11 is basically burned.
There's the obvious telemetry, MS account requirement for home editions, and other MS dark patterns for one.
But, Windows 11 performance is still crap compared to 10, and even 7. The right click menu in explorer is still high latency, and if you have a lot of extensions, you see "loading..." and it can take a good full second for all menu options to show up. Also, you still can't move the task bar, search is as garbage as ever (but honestly that's expected from Windows at this point).
Windows 11 does have some nice features, especially once combined with PowerToys. I still prefer the way Windows manages Windows compared to my mac which I need 3 third party apps at this point to make usable, and WSL2 is neat, windows has native SSH now, etc.
It could be a great OS if Microsoft could get their heads out of their rears and fix the performance issues, and stop with the advertising, telemetry and dark patterns.
- Right click menu latency is such a non-issue and that issue is specifically in file explorer and not other applications. I do think they need to make improvements to that experience like having the legacy right click behind the new one but it’s not a big deal day to day.
- Everyone likes to complain that you can’t move the taskbar. Can you move the menu bar on Mac? Can we not just accept that this is a design decision and move on?
- Is search garbage? Seems to work fine for me and seems identical to Mac and Linux quick searching functionality, and if I need something more powerful I just use Everything.
It actually is a pretty great OS, but like every OS it’s not perfect and never will be.
The right click menu though, I wouldn't call it a non-issue it's a pretty big regression. The legacy right-click menu loads instantaneously. The new one doesn't seem to do any caching either because it's consistently laggy even after an initial load. Is it still usable? Sure, but it's definitely annoying. It's not the only performance regression either.
> Can you move the menu bar on Mac? Can we not just accept that this is a design decision and move on?
Because it was an option in every single windows version up until now. And on macOS I can move the dock to any side of the screen I'd like. Hell, it will even dynamically move if I'm using multiple monitors and hover my mouse where it should be.
> It actually is a pretty great OS, but like every OS it’s not perfect and never will be.
I never said it wasn't. It's got plenty of features I like, use and appreciate. I wouldn't complain if I hated Windows, because I wouldn't care if that was the case. I'm one of the few on here that actually likes and uses Windows, so of course it's frustrating to see regressions.
Also just lack of attention to detail. e.g. if you start to search in the start menu and then delete what you typed, you don't get the base menu back; you get "suggestions". So e.g. if you search for "power" or "shutdown" to power off, don't see it as a result, and delete your search, the power button won't be there anymore. You have to close the start menu and open it again to find it. Completely ridiculous design (KDE by contrast has the button and finds the action as a search result with both of those search terms).
No serious effort went into consumer desktop Windows in the past 10 years, most of the upgrades are for Windows Server, Azure and Xbox OS. Windows 8 was their last real attempt and they gave up immediately.
The right click menu in explorer is oversimplified garbage that's missing most of the important options without an extra, unnecessary click.
The settings systems still aren't unified, meaning you have to check AT LEAST two places before you find the right settings menu half the time. Sometimes 3.
It takes double the memory it should for something so simple.
Windows explorer in task manager still needs to have the special "restart task" option, specifically because they know it's going to crash a high percentage of the time you use it.
It spies on you with over-intrusive telemetry.
It advertises to you, even though you are (ostensibly) the customer.
It tries to force the Microsoft account.
It tries to force OneDrive.
It tries to force Edge.
Every update resets half my settings that I spent hours configuring.
The updates are often forced on you. I'm not a child. Let ME decide my risk appetite.
It forces their crummy AI into EVERYTHING, and makes you opt out if you don't want all your data hoovered up.
Everything is named poorly and confusingly on purpose. How many damned things are named "Copilot" now? What is Office even called these days?
So what's the 'best' edition of windows ('best' for privacy/least crapware/adware/AI slop)? I can get any version.
It was as easy as downgrading a bunch of dependencies (PySide6, numpy) and created a legacy build, and the Windows 7 version got like 2% of downloads (~200). I assume it works since I've gotten no complaints and I don't have a Windows 7 machine to test haha, Windows 7 in UTM crashes a lot for me on macOS ARM.
Man people are still using this. I really only did this since I added macOS 10.14 support (prior minimum was macOS 12) and most of the work needed was already mostly done by that.
I recently bought a laptop and that came with Windows 11.
After hours of trying to work around the OOB "experience" that really really wants to you to sign up for a Microsoft account I finally managed to circumvent it.
After using it for a while I actually like it. It's smooth and no major glitches.
Then I didn't use my laptop for a while, logged in and was greeted with
"Let's finish setting up your account". Only options are "Remind me again x days later" and "Ok"
This is so obnoxious behavior it really makes me want to just roll over the whole machine with Linux.
I wish the clowns from the marketing department hadn't taken over the Windows product division. My laptop is already setup thank you very much. I don't need your condesdencing dark pattern UX BS in my face.
tux3•1h ago
It's one of the last versions where the modal dialogs ask "Yes" or "No", instead of "Yes" and "Not now", "Maybe later", or "Ask again tomorrow".
nonethewiser•55m ago
This difference captures so much...
I recently setup a minecraft server on an old windows machine and had a hard time setting it to never restart automatically. After reading some support forums I found the menu to control when it restarts but still didnt see an option to completely stop it.
Eventually I found a way that I can't even recall at this point.
westmeal•43m ago
ToucanLoucan•37m ago
And even the JVM part, it's not HARD, just annoying.
Symbiote•29m ago
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jl6•40m ago
I find the idea of people upgrading from Windows 10 to Windows 7 sad and hilarious in equal measure.
rs186•39m ago
mapontosevenths•24m ago
https://github.com/win32ss/supermium
brokencode•39m ago
Now they have no incentive to make good upgrades. Instead, they are only incentivized to add privacy-compromising services that nobody wants or asked for.
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landl0rd•34m ago
I can't tolerate windows. I put up with 10 for a while then went back to 7. 7 was good. Then some stuff wasn't supported so I moved to 11. Couldn't do it. I'd get random garbage like a notification for some "grand prize giveaway". I legit thought I'd gotten adware installed somehow. Nope, official Microsoft notification! Want to configure the system at all? Keep defender from trashing your CPU for fifteen minutes after you compile something? Stop auto-restarts that close everything? Use actual sleep not the weird "connected sleep" nonsense? Tough, you don't get to. If you do it anyway it will revert after your next update (mandatory btw!) or sometimes just at random.
I can't remember a version since 7 that doesn't make me feel like I'm in a bazaar being accosted by freaking rug merchants.
I used to hate macs. I switched to a macbook. I am much happier now despite the occasional annoyances.
fakedang•29m ago
WD-42•25m ago
I’m convinced it’s a frog in boiling water situation for people still using windows. It’s so bad.
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MarkusWandel•20m ago
Surprise! Windows 11 likes S3 suspend just fine. Push the button, instant screen off and winking power light... push it again, instant wakeup. So if by some miracle your hardware/UEFI still supports it, you're good. This is a 5-year-old-ish Acer Swift 3 for what it's worth.
Oh, wait, you mean Windows update toggles that setting back? Whoa.
ant6n•19m ago
Who designs these antipatterns!?
WD-42•13m ago
What is an operating system? At it's core, an OS is a program to run other programs. Yet this Windows program likes to randomly kill all the programs it's supposed to keep running, at night, when it thinks you aren't looking. It literally fails at the most basic purpose of an operating system.
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wobfan•16m ago
Can't 100% say whether Windows 11 IoT LTSC is equally good, but from what I've read it also is worth considering.
happymellon•14m ago
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/evaluate-windows-...
> after you install Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC Evaluation, you won't be able to use the recovery partition on your PC to go back to your previous version of Windows.
Yikes.
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