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Apple, fix my keyboard before the timer ends or I'm leaving iPhone

https://ios-countdown.win/
108•ozzyphantom•1h ago

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lxndrdagreat•1h ago
> You were the "it just works" company. Now you're just a fruit that I used to know.

This had me simultaneously chuckling and sad, because it feels very true.

nixosbestos•31m ago
> I caved to the blue bubble pressure

Had me until then. Zero respect for this, frankly.

ctxc•28m ago
Can you elaborate? Is this a glassmorphism reference?
wlesieutre•25m ago
Wanting to have iMessage so your messages show up blue instead of green when you text iPhone people
CodeMage•24m ago
I just learned about this, too. It turns out that in the US, being an iPhone user is cool and being an Android user is lame, and you can tell who's who in group chats, because the messages that go over iMessage are represented with blue speech bubbles and the rest are in green bubbles.
Zak•16m ago
That's not quite how it works. You can't have a group chat that's mixed iMessage and SMS/MMS.

If an iMessage user creates a group chat where not everyone is using iMessage, then it's MMS. I suppose now it could be RCS if everyone's using a device and carrier that supports RCS, but I haven't kept up with that. MMS has a bunch of limitations relative to any modern internet messaging app, so people don't want to use that.

Some people are also very reluctant to install third-party messaging apps.

tempest_•24m ago
There has been an on-going meme around users using imessage getting messages from other imessage users which appear as one color and messages from android users(or anyone I think?) as another. So people know you are the android user in a group of apple users or whatever.

I did not think any one gave a shit outside of kids.

Zak•20m ago
I have a group of adults in my social circle who won't migrate a group chat to anything other than iMessage so that I can participate. I'm genuinely angry at them for this and angry at Apple for its role in creating the situation.
lecarore•24m ago
In chat on the iphone, ios users see fellow ios users with blue bubbles, but see android peasants with green bubble. There's social pressure to "be blue like everyone else" and the author caved in.
lynndotpy•21m ago
The social pressure is also technological. RCS integration was a big improvement but it's still not up to par.

It's not "ha, greens are poor", it's "android arnold can't be in the group chat because it'll fuck it all up"

munk-a•5m ago
It's not a technical issue, iMessage, whatsapp and Signal can all internally communicate just fine. It's a corporation trying to exert monopolistic pressure to box out competitors by forcing additional social pressure.
TheDong•13m ago
In most countries, the most used messenger app is Whatsapp or Wechat or LINE or KakaoTalk or whatever.

In the USA, the most common messenger is iMessage. Unfortunately, unlike all the other apps I named, apple refuses to release an android app for iMessage. Instead, if you try to iMessage an android message, suddenly iMessage turns into your phone's SMS app (not really sure why), and half the features go away.

You can no longer remove people from group chats (if any 1 of them has an android), you get strange messages sometimes, you don't' get typing indicators. If they use RCS, and then go on a vacation to a country without RCS (many countries), suddenly your chat can break in very strange ways.

As a result, it's very common in the US for people to be ostracized from iPhone friend groups due to not having an iPhone.

When you use dating apps, if eventually you trade numbers and your partner is a green bubble, that's usually enough to end any chances at a relationship. Your family will remove you from the family group chat after the first low-resolution group photo.

A company made a solution to this called Beeper Mini, allowing people to have blue bubbles while using android phones, and Apple of course immediately shut it down because Apple wants the iOS club in the US to have this tangible social benefit, of you being able to have a wider dating pool, being able to talk to your family, and so on. https://www.macrumors.com/2023/12/10/apple-confirms-it-shut-...

It's a truly bizarre state of affairs.

retired•10m ago
I’m honestly not sure which is more dystopian: the American blue/green bubble divide, or the situation in Spain where my doctor sends blood test results over WhatsApp, delivery drivers call me on WhatsApp, and couriers ask me to share my live location because they can’t find my building. Nearly all day-to-day communication is funnelled through a single Meta-owned channel.
TheDong•5m ago
I think the least dystopian is a semi-government owned app, like WeChat in china.

iMessage is also controlled by a private company, and by my estimate, one of the most evil ones. Apple and Google are the two companies most complicit in feeding highly addictive and exploitative gambling apps to kids via their app stores, and they both profit massively off of it via 30% cuts.

metabagel•24m ago
It’s a joke, just like “Apple, if that’s really your real name”.
carlosjobim•30m ago
Impotent rage if I ever saw it. Where is the capacity of feeling shame or embarrassment?
postflopclarity•30m ago
it's so infuriating how bad I am at typing now.
Liftyee•29m ago
As a lifelong Android user (in the EU, where Apple hegemony is not as strong) I always saw Apple as the "pay more for more polished ecosystem UX" option. So it always surprises me when things that are trivial on Android/Linux are sticking points on iOS/macOS. Worse, it seems that proprietary means you can't do anything to fix them yourself.
metabagel•25m ago
Apple’s implementation of desktops/workspaces is maddening.
wilkystyle•19m ago
Long-time iOS user here. My motivation for iPhone has always been "you pay more for fewer features and customization, but the UX is more polished." For the past 5-ish years, the UX has consistently gotten considerably worse. Not just the usual things like the horrible keyboard and atrocious Siri capabilities, it's all the stuff that used to just work. Nothing deal-breaking by itself, but all together feels like death by a thousand cuts. I'm at the point where I'm seriously considering Android.
fodkodrasz•12m ago
Also add Liquid Glass, it strains the eyes.

Even siri got worse, when I say call <nickname of my gitfriend> now it does some location based search, and calls sonebody, when near home it is a doctor, when on the other side of the river it is a flower shop, at othe rplaces other random non-contacts, with a contact having the sting it used for search, as her nickname is always part of the called person… It used to work flawlessly as expected…

I would be fine with Siri actually if if could handle simple fixed phrase based task, no AI, as it could a few years ago.

WarmWash•19m ago
In the US Apple is the

"Use it or your social group will not want to interact with you"

option.

Outside of tech circles (where apparently people easily get their entire family and friend network on signal), people want to use imessage and only want to use imessage. Android phones can't support imessage because they are poor low quality phones that cannot handle imessage. So you need a high quality phone like iphone so you can use imessage and easily communicate with your friends and family.

This strategy of leveraging friends and family to pressure people into getting iPhones was intentional and came out in the Epic trial lawsuit.

I shit you not there is a large percentage of people in the US that think Android phones are not capable of sending pcitures and videos.

ryandrake•16m ago
> "Use it or your social group will not want to interact with you"

Maybe your "social group". If your friends refuse to talk to you because of the cell phone brand you use, I have bad news for you: They might not really be great friends.

creaturemachine•6m ago
This is the state of friendship in the social media age.
etrautmann•5m ago
That’s not what this is about. If you have a group chat with one android user, it used to make all aspects of the interactions clunkier. Green bubbles, sending a new text instead of reactions, etc. as such, people would get left off of a list. Those small interactions add up over time.
bix6•16m ago
> I shit you not there is a large percentage of people in the US that think Android phones are not capable of sending pcitures and videos.

Source? Would love to read this one lol

actionfromafar•13m ago
It was kind of true a very long time ago except in potato quality. And if you were out of data, but was connected on WiFi instead, you actually couldn't. And you still can't text a large video across the Android / iPhone chasm, can you?
Tepix•15m ago
> Android phones can't support imessage because they are poor low quality phones that cannot handle imessage.

Android phones can't use iMessage because Apple never opened it up, contrary to what Steve Jobs was hinting at back when it was released.

Nowadays I believe you can get a blue bubble when chatting from an Android with an iPhone user by using RCS / JOYN.

browningstreet•15m ago
This feels like 5 year old social media bullshit.. can we let it rest?
amelius•13m ago
5 year old as in .. a child of 5 years old
PlatoIsADisease•14m ago
>"Use it or your social group will not want to interact with you"

I see this in middle and lower-middle class people.

But in the upper-middle class, this is a non issue. We know how Apple manipulates people who struggle to spend $50/mo on a phone.

zdragnar•14m ago
Texting images and videos to iPhone users used to be much worse than it is now, but it's gotten better in the past few years if my (Android) experience with my family (iPhones) is any indication.

The hard to tell part is I'm also crossing carriers to message them, so that might have been the issue as well.

inferniac•18m ago
Their software quality really went downhill in recent years, really hope whoever comes in after Cook treats it as priority
PlatoIsADisease•15m ago
Recent?

They have been last to get Widgets. They don't have apps I use (terminals, emulators, pulse wave generators). Not to mention Gemini AI is actually really nice for scanning a screen and doing actions with it.

Apple is always 2nd place or worse. Except marketing, they are #1.

karlshea•5m ago
"Quality" and "features you happen to want" are two different things.
MichaelZuo•14m ago
I would say Catalina in 2019 already had enormous issues, there were hard faults in Console pretty much daily that Apple never bothered to fix. (Plus hundreds of minor faults per day)

I had to downgrade to Mojave so the wheels likely came off internally around then.

HaloZero•27m ago
I’d love to see (it won’t ever happen) what the bug fix for this is. I tried doing what the video said and just typing thumbs up over and over again and I didn’t actually have any trouble.
garciasn•21m ago
I just typed "thumbs up" ~50x and was not able to reproduce the bug. But, as was pointed out in another thread somewhere, since I don't have 'Predictive Text' enabled maybe that has something to do w/it. So; I enabled 'Predictive Text' and there's the bug. It's consistently misspelling 'thumbs' with any number of different variations.

Disabling 'Predictive Text' seems to correct the bug; however, there must be something in the algorithm that's causing this that Apple does need to fix.

sbdaman•27m ago
Keep autocorrect on and turn off predictive text. Makes the experience way better.
wlesieutre•23m ago
Is predictive text the one that reaches back and changes correct words that I had already finished typing?
lynndotpy•19m ago
One thing you can't fix is that every iPhone and iPad invisibly resizes the keyboard keys as you type.

:(

wilkystyle•16m ago
This is actually a necessary feature for a touchscreen keyboard to feel usable, and it's been in iOS since day one. The problem is that it has gotten not only much worse over time at predicting which tap zones to enlarge, but it also feels more aggressive. For example, tapping the shift button on the iOS keyboard enlarges the Enter/Return key's touch area so much that I am unable to immediately tap the microphone icon to turn off dictation. If I've tapped shift, I need to then wait a second for the predictively-enlarged tap zone to shrink before I can turn off dictation.
lynndotpy•9m ago
I disagree that it's necessary and I wish I could disable it. They even have it enabled on iPads, which are a tad larger than the original iPhone, and which can be used with the official stylus.
wilkystyle•15m ago
This helps, but it's not nearly enough, thanks to the terrible (and continually declining) quality of predictive tap zone enlargement for keyboard keys.
piskov•25m ago
The keyboard stuff is really embarrassing. I’ve definitely been making more mistakes in the last few years.
RankingMember•23m ago
I thought I was just getting more fumbly and it was making me question whether something neurological was going on. (Only "symptoms" were weird issues typing on my phone when I never had these issues on the android devices I'd used prior).
pxtail•25m ago
I like it, bookmarked, let's see how this extortion fares
lloydatkinson•25m ago
This explains why my typing has basically turned to shit on my iPhone meanwhile on PC it's been fine. Frustrating!
speak_plainly•23m ago
Terrorizing Apple with a countdown threat is probably not going to accomplish much.

You could try installing Gboard (https://apps.apple.com/ca/app/gboard-the-google-keyboard/id1...), or SwiftKey (https://apps.apple.com/ca/app/microsoft-swiftkey-ai-keyboard...)...and there are probably other options.

It may be even more obvious, but there are settings in general/keyboard that you can toggle.

I noticed a bit of a shift in the stock typing experience, but I adapted and it's fine.

avazhi•20m ago
Telling anybody to install third party shit to fix first party shit should have been a hint to you that what you're saying is laughable.

Throwing random nonsense about 'general/keyboard' settings (that don't exist, btw) because you yourself can't think of anything specific should have been another.

The keyboard, specifically the Autocorrect, is fucked and has progressively worsened over the past 5 years. It's atrocious today. This is a first party problem that shouldn't need 3rd party solutions, end of story.

eptcyka•20m ago
Of course, the first party keyboard doesn't work, you should use the ones that definitely do not phone home to either Google or Microsoft.

Of course regular window management doesn't just work out of the box, you should install one of the many different window managers on macOS.

I was under the impression that to get a product that just works, I can buy Apple hardware, right?

Kovah•5m ago
The sad part is, that Apple used to make somewhat stable, functional software. I started with the iPhone 3 and a bit later with Mac OS Snow Leopard. It all started when Mr Cook decided to serve the shareholders, instead of focusing on Apple's core values. The software went downhill in such a speed in just a few years. And moving out of the ecosystem is a painful, if not unbearable, task that barely anyone loves to do. At least I can't even think about moving back to Android.
Kovah•11m ago
I recently tested Swiftkey after Typewise is sadly abandoned. It's sooooo much better than the stock keyboard. Not only is the auto-correct working incredibly well (garbage like witjoit is correctly transformed to without, which Apple Keyboard can't), Swiftkey also manages multi-language typing astonishingly well. Last but not least, I can customize it. I am also not signed in to my account, so no settings or whatever is stored on Microsoft servers.
SamuelAdams•23m ago
This seem like an odd take. Android has bugs too, you just haven’t used it long enough to notice.
hyperhello•23m ago
I did a lot of classic Mac programming in its day. I knew how to react to the events, and how to use a Color QuickDraw window’s RefCon, and how to mark parts of a window for redraw.

I don’t understand how it works internally anymore. I mean I can program it, but none of the way linear logic used to apply.

I’m concerned that it’s internally very overcomplicated, because that’s how software is supposed to be designed now, but the “simplicity” is like a second system effect. A whole layer that makes clicking a button appear to work, when really there is no code flow that resembles the process.

AyyEye•23m ago
> I caved to peer pressure. If you don't fix this thing within four months I will switch to your competitor for one maybe even two product cycles.

He sure showed them. The people I know using super old iphones are doing more than their public commitment to buy more apple products as often as they can -- after a brief tolerance break, of course.

avazhi•23m ago
Actively hostile is a good way of putting in. Absolute dogshit is another no less accurate description.

But I doubt Apple gives a fuck. They're too busy making promos about how much cardboard they're saving per year shipping their dogshit products, or sending their C suite guys to do WSJ interviews about how much they care about privacy and are a premium brand while at the same time working overtime to implement 3rd party ads into their own ecosystem. They just simply aren't at all aligned with the company that existed when Jobs was still around.

dwa3592•19m ago
Apple's keyboard sucks on my iphone too. Everytime the autocorrect fucks up, I swear at tim cook in my head.
pzmarzly•18m ago
I was once blown away by iPhone 8 editing capabilities. The keyboard seemed to work OK (minus swipe-to-type, but that wasn't great on Android either), and using 3D Touch to move cursor and select text was the most pleasant text editing experience, even better than on the desktop (arrow keys and vim hjkl).

And then it was all removed in a software update.

8ytecoder•11m ago
[delayed]
esskay•17m ago
Funny thing is theres probably some Apple employees reading this right now kidding themselves into thinking this is an end user problem. It's not - your keyboard is bloody awful now, you made it worse.
joe_mamba•15m ago
> theres probably some Apple employees reading this right now [...] you made it worse.

Apple employees reading this right now: "Eh, who cares, I made 500k in TC last year."

Beestie•16m ago
Android: Here's the phone; knock yourself out

Apple: Father knows best (but Father is getting old and sometimes forgets things)

Windows: If only we understood what the ancestors knew

PlatoIsADisease•16m ago
>i'm weak

>I caved to the blue bubble pressure

This is basically how I view iphone users. They buy an inferior product because Apple exploited their lack of status. From moms, to teens, to low-middle income people... Heck, its even infected some perpetually single techies who are so insecure they buy the inferior Apple product.

These companies that exploit such psychology is disgusting. From Apple to Nintendo to Disney, there is something that feels immoral about how they market to their customers.

And you bet they have contracted out some marketing team to patrol every social media to downvote/upvote/comment as 'reputation management'...But hey they contracted them, plausible deniability.

metabagel•6m ago
I switched to iPhone for battery life. Additionally, Apple isn’t an advertising company like Google.
TheAtomic•14m ago
"We want to surprise and delight our customers" turned into fuck with and frustrate.
splittydev•12m ago
I'm one of the developers of Mister Keyboard. If you want, you can give it a try! Everything essential is completely free, maybe it works out for you.
bix6•12m ago
I really wish someone could start a legitimate competitor to Apple. They are so bloated and just squeezing service revenue out of us. The M chips are great but the software is so buggy.
BenjaminBarwo•5m ago
Yeah, but it's not really their software that's the moat they rely on. It's a lot more to that. They have incredible branding, Devices may be MID, but at least they make good commercials guys..... Plus, everyone's like sheep. If everyone's getting the latest iPhone, they're going to continue to get the latest iPhone because everyone else is getting the latest iPhone. *Sending dis off of a MacBook with my iPhone 16 in my left pocket btw*
yabones•10m ago
IOS 26 has been a massive dissapointment. I was strong-armed into updating this week with the vulnerability they refused to patch in 18.x, and it's what I would describe as "Gen Z's Vista"
nathancahill•9m ago
It's so bad. I think it has to do with touch targets because the slide to type is great in my opinion.

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