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For the first time in history, more Americans are moving to EU than vice versa

https://twitter.com/benbawan/status/2049303326999609846
26•akyuu•1h ago

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BoumTAC•20m ago
Americans enjoying their huge American salaries while working remotely from poor European countries
the_70x•14m ago
Maybe during Covid. Now many companies are making employees RTO
garbawarb•14m ago
In practice almost no companies let you do this.

If you know of one that does and is hiring, please share...

BoumTAC•11m ago
I don't know how they do this, but Paris is full of Americans living there.

I think they stay for a few months. Maybe they just don't tell their company and the company still think they are working in the same place.

officialchicken•13m ago
QoL is more important than hustle culture to most people
amarcheschi•17m ago
The community note gives more information on the comparison
fragmede•7m ago
> The chart compares permanent green cards issued to Europeans moving to the US with first-time residence permits (often temporary, for work/study) issued to Americans moving to the EU, which are not equivalent metrics.

For those that don't have Twitter.

Isamu•17m ago
Fairly steady trends since 2000 with a drop during covid, America becoming less popular for Europeans and Americans
garbawarb•16m ago
Is a green card the equivalent to a first timr residence permit in Europe? It's notoriously hard to get a green card: it'll take 3 years for a normal skilled worker who's already in the US and that's assuming nothing goes wrong in the process, and something always does. Plus many visa categories don't even have a path to a green card. "Long term stay visas issued" might be a better comparison.
comrade1234•10m ago
Just depends where and where you're from. Even though it's the EU each country has its own rules.
sidewndr46•6m ago
Can't you basically buy citizenship through "investment" in one of the countries?
comrade1234•5m ago
I think more than one. I think Portugal's program is over but you can still do it in others (Greece? Romania? I can't remember). You can do it in the USA too.
piva00•7m ago
Each EU country has its own rules about immigration.

A green card is probably equivalent to a permanent residence permit, those vary quite a bit between countries, and skills. Some countries might give a permanent residence in as few as 3 years, I believe quite a few have the 4 years threshold. Depending on what skills you have or how much you invest in the country you are moving to this timeline also shortens.

comrade1234•13m ago
Surprisingly, the vote on limiting Switzerland's population to 10 million may actually pass. Usually votes for things that will hurt the economy don't come close to passing but right now the limit is a few percent ahead.
sidewndr46•6m ago
how would that even work? mandatory contraception or something?
ceejayoz•5m ago
Immigration and naturalization restrictions.
tosti•11m ago
I, for one, welcome our new American fellows.
idiotsecant•9m ago
I suspect there are a lot of American hegemony trends that look like this. The US is burning good will and soft power that took centuries to accumulate in days or hours. This was a long term trend but the current American government is really stepping on the gas.

The american century is over, but I'm not sure what comes next will be better, we will see.

sleepyguy•7m ago
My kid moved from the US to Vienna for work. Loves it, says there is no reason to come back...I know a few more folks whose kids left after Uni to work in the EU and have no plans on returning. For a young person who values working to live more than living to work, the EU is very attractive.
ramesh31•3m ago
It's an infinitely higher quality of life if you're not in the 90th income percentile in the US already. You'll never make that much, but you'll never have half the worries we do here for lower income people.
irishcoffee•5m ago
I had an issue at work, stuck all night on the phone trying to get a license activated. The first fellow I talked to was Australian, great guy. Really helpful, patient. He discovered the issue was indeed on their end.

I took a nap at my desk for an hour (the license was needed on an airgapped system sneaker-netted over via an encrypted drive so I couldn't do this from home and the deadline had arrived).

Woke up and called back, different fellow, European. Every answer, in perfect english, was about 3 words long on average in a very dismissive tone.

I'd rather move to Australia.

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