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GrapheneOS says Pixel 11 has MTE support after all

https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/117194007157499435
31•user_7832•43m ago

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user_7832•41m ago
To clarify, regarding the confusion: it was disabled, leading them to think it didn't outright exist.

Why disabled? Well, its performance is apparently quite poor. But why?

...Apparently to save money.

readthenotes1•28m ago
The thread made it sound like it was more- that the actual release of pixel 11 did not have the firmware to support MTE, not that it was just disabled.

Is the thread wrong or did I misread it?

user_7832•11m ago
Nah sorry my bad. I mixed up "it's currently disabled" and "the hardware is there" into "it was earlier disabled".
chekibreki•36m ago
For anyone else not knowing what MTE stands for:

> Memory safety bugs, which are errors in handling memory in native programming languages, are common code issues. They lead to security vulnerabilities as well as stability problems.

>Armv9 introduced the Arm Memory Tagging Extension (MTE), a hardware extension that allows you to catch use-after-free and buffer-overflow bugs in your native code.

https://developer.android.com/ndk/guides/arm-mte

m00dy•31m ago
For those don't know you will either code in Rust or make sure MTE enabled.
greesil•22m ago
Boo. I was delighted by its introduction in pixel 8. I thought this was a resurgence of the old Google, actually giving a f about software, security and the end user.

iPhone 17 has it now. maybe Google's work here is done

https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/1ndcrug/iphone_17_in...

Noaidi•20m ago
A company making multi billions of dollars in profit still looking to save money selling their flagship phone?
jmm5•15m ago
Google makes money, I'm not sure Pixel does.
ulfw•13m ago
Zero chance the Pixel division is net positive
rootsudo•4m ago
agreed h/w negative, but how far removed is pixel from android itself and then the ad tech platform, playstore, etc in general?
hk1337•14m ago
So, where does the restriction for side loading apps live, on the device or the OS? Curious about getting the Pixel 11 Pro if/when I can install GrapheneOS.
alpaca9•7m ago
GrapheneOS themselves said it wasn't worth getting the 11 over the 10 on Twitter. It has a worse GPU and less RAM, and the increase in CPU speed is so negligible that often you end up with better performance using the previous generation. In addition, GrapheneOS isn't even available on 11 series devices yet.
hk1337•1m ago
interesting. what about the side loading apps? I assume that's an OS and Graphene would likely allow it?
rkozik1989•5m ago
Phones typically have 2 operating systems: one to handle telephonic functions like managing tower connections and separate operating system for user applications. The security implication here is that the telephonic operating system has access to the same system resources as the application operating system at the same time, right? The problem is your data is always available in plaintext to the telephonic OS because it has to be stored somewhere before it gets encrypted, so assuming graphene OS doesn't handle both functions its not a perfectly closed loop system.
bramhaag•1m ago

  > The baseband is isolated on all of the officially supported devices. Memory access is partitioned by the IOMMU and limited to internal memory and memory shared by the driver implementations. The baseband on the officially supported devices with a Qualcomm SoC implements Wi-Fi and Bluetooth as internal sandboxed processes rather than having a separate baseband for those like earlier devices.
https://grapheneos.org/faq#baseband-isolation
colincowardly•2m ago
So not only a price increase: less RAM, performance scraping backwards, crippled/lost features, a camera system that captures stuttering audio and video imperfectly often, and Pixels dropping out of AOSP.

Google Pixel has the marketshare it deserves.

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