They have some math here https://artificialanalysis.ai/methodology but ok how are the prices weighted... and even if you do that 7:2:1 math it doesnt match the providers. Specifically this model: https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/deepseek-v4-1-flash-101... doesn't match https://deepinfra.com/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V4.1-Flash-1017
It's an especially strange metric with open-weights decision models. I mean I can run those on my laptop ... cost is very abstract there.
Perhaps I'm losing touch with the edge, but it doesn't seem like this is quite possible with the hardware baseline I'm talking about...
At around 75% of the full model intelligence
Almost no one is running DeepSeek V4.1 Flash on their laptop, so comparing based on API pricing seems perfectly reasonable to me.
Imustaskforhelp•35m ago
This is half the size of Mimo and comes pretty damn close to it and I feel like lots of tasks can be done by it.
I really like its speed as well but its quite verbose from the benchmarks, IMO, this should be tackled in the near future as well. I wonder if specific fine-tuning can happen just to make the model token-efficient.
Also, slightly offtopic though deekseep has good tps but Nvidia's nemotron recent 120B model also has some really crazy tps. I wonder if we are gonna see some really good tps on general hardware.
The best part is that the amount of current innovation happening within the space means that a lot of good ideas are bound to be absorbed by one or the other and we will get many of these improvements handed to us :-D
I think that such engineering is also the engineering of the trade-offs and on what axis to play on. You can be SOTA but with very low speed, extreme price and other factors. I think its interesting to see how each engineering lab approaches these trade-offs and what they pick. But whatever they pick, its best because its more choices for us to pick upon from (especially if its open weights)
serf•21m ago
give it browser access and it's a speed-run to a cloudflare bot detection freak-out in minutes.
clhodapp•15m ago
It feels like that would be the expected result, all else equal.