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Supermarket freezers in Belgium and Sweden hit by suspected cyber-attack

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cq1kd1nee80eo
33•xqcgrek2•45m ago

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noja•34m ago
Will the insurance pay out on this? It would be negligent to have this exposed to the internet - was it?
kleiba2•32m ago
Especially in the light of the recent precedence of hacked freezers.
pluc•29m ago
Ireland too: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50335252
ocd•26m ago
I've fantasized a long time about a clearer separation of technology from life, since it's been depicted in some ways I appreciated in fiction. But at this point, I'd just take a set of laws around what types of items should ever have any sort of networking.
forlorn•18m ago
I believe it's industrial protocols used to connect such devises to a SCADA system. It this case it's the SCADA system that has to be disconnected from any general purpose networks.
Proziam•7m ago
The freezer itself doesn't need to connect to a SCADA. You can network power and temperature monitors, but those monitors don't need the ability to shut off the freezer.

These freezers are manually stocked and cleaned. If they need to be powered down it's a simple matter of a hardware switch that you flip when the unit is empty.

wronglebowski•23m ago
It truly feels like Europe is just collectively shrugging at their lack of preparedness and aggression they face. What’s it going to take for them to take their own security seriously?
ElProlactin•19m ago
What makes you think Europe is uniquely vulnerable?
DC-3•19m ago
In fairness they probably don't tend to use internet connected freezers in Africa.
afroboy•5m ago
I live in Africa, still amazed by the idea of connected freezers haha. Didn't know it exists out there.
cyanydeez•18m ago
The problem is the ironic "home grown" or "internal" security. These external attacks come after decades of fertilizing far right white politicians whose sole purpose is to dither any directed anger.

Brexit was the first to burst and despite their support of Ukraine, can at any moment capitulate to the ghost of nationalism and delusional escapism that is "white power". Americas on the verge of sinking further into the same. With those two entirely preoccupied, of course europe is next and already has the same underlying current.

traceroute66•17m ago
> It truly feels like Europe is just collectively shrugging at their lack of preparedness and aggression they face. What’s it going to take for them to take their own security seriously?

I'm quite sure your average American company is just as willing to plug random shit into the internet.

Hell, there are probably hundreds of reports out there of American companies failing to secure their AWS S3 buckets, so you don't even have to plug anything into the internet.

kzrdude•21m ago
It happened in France on 12 October: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crq5nzxv9q4yo
ilkkao•20m ago
This first happened in France over three weeks ago. It's unforgivable that many chains have failed to update their software in time. Or to take the freezers offline if an update isn't available.

I now read some interviews with local chains in Sweden and Finland, and they were still just investigating what to do at this point.

pumba_noob•12m ago
Why do supermarket freezers need to be on the internet in the first place? A freezer has one job right.. keep things cold :/
sevenzero•9m ago
Likely so that stores can be monitored remotely. A lot of supermarkets have a centralized orchestration somewhere, especially big chains.
oblio•8m ago
For commercial uses some kind of global monitoring is not super crazy. Regular retail freezers being on the internet, that's the crazy talk.
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mrweasel•13m ago
There was an interview with an angry store manager, he's mad at the attackers, but I didn't hear the media ask him why they didn't improve security after the French attacks. Only now do they appear to want to start a review of their monitoring system.

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/skane/icas-kylar-och-frysa...

andy_ppp•9m ago
Maybe we should stop connecting things to the Internet that doesn't need to be?
baal80spam•6m ago
I don't understand why these things aren't on their own (V)LAN. Why they are open to internet?!
ElProlactin•15m ago
Your average American company is running on China.
2000UltraDeluxe•6m ago
It would take people listening to professionals and getting rid of several decades worth of bad habits amongst users. Same as most other places really.
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11m ago
Yeah was about to say, if your a major chain this is on you
tclancy•8m ago
Has anyone determined if these were separate from the attacks on US military PX refrigeration that happened well before that?
holsta•6m ago
In the case of France, the vulnerability was announced in August, 2025.

I believe gigantic fines are appropriate. They need to be of a size where the entire management team has significant financial issues for many years to come, even after having sold their houses, big cars, etc.

Nothing will improve until there are personal consequences.

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