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New research reveals the strongest solar event ever detected, in 12350 BC

https://phys.org/news/2025-05-reveals-strongest-solar-event-bc.html
91•politelemon•3d ago

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nntwozz•2h ago
So we can look forward to radiocarbon spikes in the weather forecast.

"New SOCOL:14C-Ex model reveals that the Late-Glacial radiocarbon spike in 12350 BC was caused by the record-strong extreme solar storm".

ggm•2h ago
This would not have been kind to any RF/EMF systems, be they GEO, LEO or terrestrial.

We'd have been walking around marvelling at st elmo's fire coming off any point-contact junction between metal or exposed metal structure, with the most fantastic skies at night.

On the other hand, would allergy sufferers be marvelling at the removal of all the dust and pollen? This would be like the outdoors becoming a giant anti-static dust remover.

Primitive man wakes up, discovers can breathe through both nostrils...

roygbiv2•1h ago
How would this effect computers and everyday electrical devices? If we detected something like this heading towards us would we have to turn everything off for the day/week? That's just not possible though is it, can't just turn off nuclear power plants for the day.
cyberax•1h ago
There won't be any effect.

Solar flares do NOT affect the devices on the ground. All the fast-moving charged particles are completely absorbed in the upper atmosphere. And to give you some perspective, the most energetic flares can produce 10^-3 W/m^2 flux at the Earth's orbit.

The flares do affect the geomagnetic field. And a changing magnetic field induces current, but it becomes non-negligible only for very long conductors. So long-distance power transmission lines might suddenly become biased with a persistent DC voltage, and some long optical cables might start experiencing over/undervoltage problems with amplifiers.

But locally? You won't see anything unusual.

roygbiv2•1h ago
Well there you go then, a little dull but probably for the best.
jiggawatts•12m ago
The panic about these is way out of proportion with the real risks. Modern systems have all sorts of over-voltage protection, and we no longer use "telegraph wires" directly connected to vulnerable electronics like speakers and amplifiers.

All modern telecommunications are over fibre or radio links.

brookst•1h ago
Damn, you took me from “hope that doesn’t happen again in my lifetime” to “oh Jesus please let that happen tomorrow” in just a few words.
hattar•50m ago
I spent my whole life only breathing through half a nostril on a good day. About 10 years ago I got surgery and Sublingual Immunotherapy drops, and the results have been life changing.

I sleep better, my mind is clearer, I feel like an entirely new person. I am not exaggerating when I say that I still occasionally think about how nice it is to be able to breathe clearly.

coenhyde•14m ago
Oxygen is a hell of a drug.

I use nose strips, and I'm addicted now too.

cyberax•1h ago
You're overestimating the effects. They would have been imperceptible on the ground, except for the stunning aurorae.
JumpCrisscross•1h ago
> would allergy sufferers be marvelling at the removal of all the dust and pollen? This would be like the outdoors becoming a giant anti-static dust remover

How do solar flares render pollen groundborne?

ggm•1h ago
How did research on the solar event find a layer deposited in what is undoubtedly surface not upper atmosphere?
JumpCrisscross•1h ago
> How did research on the solar event find a layer deposited in what is undoubtedly surface not upper atmosphere?

FTFA: "Solar particle storms can greatly enhance the normal production of cosmogenic isotopes like radiocarbon (14C) in the atmosphere by galactic cosmic rays. Such enhanced production, preserved in annual tree rings, serves as a clear cosmic timestamp making possible absolute dating of tree samples."

otherayden•2h ago
Just 5 years away from being 12345
bitwize•2h ago
That's amazing! I've got the same combination on my luggage!
dx4100•2h ago
Same as my bank pin too!
DonHopkins•2h ago
Now your balance is 00000!
fugalfervor•2h ago
I don't know why you're being downvoted for quoting Spaceballs.
bitwize•1h ago
Presumably because it's "not the kind of discussion we want to foster here at HN".
ldjkfkdsjnv•1h ago
this made me laugh
coolcase•36m ago
It's a Fibonacci sequence number of decades though

Just think: number of earth revolutions between this event and now minus the number of earth revolutions since Jesus Christ divided by number of fingers and thumbs on a human written out in base (number of fingers and thumbs on a human) is a sequence where each digit is the sum of the previous two digits.

What are the chances?

TheBlight•2h ago
Doesn't that roughly coincide with the Younger Dryas?
mensetmanusman•2h ago
Yes, such a fun topic…
kuprel•1h ago
This was my first thought. It seems this solar event happened over 1000 years before Younger Dryas
sneak•2h ago
> The findings revise our understanding of solar physics and space weather extremes. "This event establishes a new worst-case scenario," Golubenko notes. "Understanding its scale is critical for evaluating the risks posed by future solar storms to modern infrastructure like satellites, power grids, and communication systems."

…then proceeds to not explain anything about what that new, data-supported worst case scenario is.

The whole article is light on quantitative data, it’s a shame.

JoeDaDude•2h ago
Is this not one of the Miyake Events[1]? This particular one was reported in 2023 [2].

[1]. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miyake_event

[2]. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S02624...

zamadatix•2h ago
The article notes it is. The article seems to focus on the new discovery of just how strong the particular event seems to have been compared to the others, not the initial discovery of the event itself.
wpnx•2h ago
I’m curious what humans at the time would have felt, if anything.
dhosek•1h ago
Looking up the 775 solar storm, it appears mostly to have been experienced as northern lights coming much further south than normally experienced.
ed_mercer•20m ago
a less extreme version of radiation poisoning?
rubitxxx6•1h ago
> This event establishes a new worst-case scenario

This person’s definition of “worst-case scenario” is much different than mine.

We don’t know with certainty what the universe will throw at us.

We just do the very best we sensibly can.

Why should we assume that the worst thing that could happen to us happened within the past 20K years?

perihelions•1h ago
(pdf) https://oulurepo.oulu.fi/bitstream/handle/10024/55447/nbnfio...
rw3000•1h ago
https://www.robertschoch.com/sida.html
dmix•3m ago
> The initial hoopla peaked in February 1992 at a “debate” on the age of the Great Sphinx held at the Chicago meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science.6 As the New York Times put it, “The exchange was to last an hour, but it spilled over to a news conference and then a hallway confrontation in which voices were raised and words skated on the icy edge of scientific politeness.” Egyptologist Mark Lehner could not accept the notion of an older Sphinx, personally attacking me by labeling my research “pseudoscience.” Lehner argued, “If the Sphinx was built by an earlier culture, where is the evidence of that civilization? Where are the pottery shards? People during that age were hunters and gatherers. They didn’t build cities.”

Nice to hear quacks used to be called out at science events.

verisimi•14m ago
Isn't it amazing that we have an in-silico model that goes back thousands of years and can even tell us about atmospheric conditions 12,000+ years ago? We can confirm this via miyake events which are registered as growth in the tree rings. One just cuts down 13,000 year old trees to confirm the model, and we're good!
decimalenough•8m ago
The article casually mentions a "notorious" 775 AD event which I'd never heard about (insert relevant XKCD here), so here's Wikipedia:

The event of 774 had no significant consequences for life on Earth, but had it happened in modern times, it might have produced catastrophic damage to modern technology, particularly to communication and space-borne navigation systems.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/774%E2%80%93775_carbon-14_spik...

Interestingly, the identification of the cause of the 775 AD event with a huge solar flare came from the same researchers as this story.

New research reveals the strongest solar event ever detected, in 12350 BC

https://phys.org/news/2025-05-reveals-strongest-solar-event-bc.html
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