This "high-5" acknowledgement isn't license compliance.
It is “nice” but that does not make it compliant.
Building on llama is perfectly valid and they're adding value on ease of use here. Just give the llama team appropriately prominent and clearly worded credit for their contributions and call it a day.
ignoring the issue is just another way of saying "catch me if you can." and even then open source lawsuits are rather toothless anyway, so the company clearly expects there to be zero consequence.
You know, the tool that very famously had a massive rug pull once it gained marketshare https://www.servethehome.com/docker-abruptly-starts-charging...
If the money was starting to run dry, with everyone using the tech (and Docker Hub in particular) but not really giving them any money for it, then something was bound to change.
It's cool that there are other alternatives to Docker Hub though and projects like Podman. I feel like with a bigger grace period, the Docker pricing changes wouldn't have been a big deal.
llamma.cpp https://github.com/ggml-org/llama.cpp/blob/master/LICENSE
ollama.cpp https://github.com/ollama/ollama/blob/main/LICENSE
> The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in all copies or substantial portions of the Software.
The copyright notice is the bit at the top that identifies who owns the copyright to the code. You can use MIT code alongside any license you'd like as long as you attribute the MIT portions properly.
That said, this is a requirement that almost no one follows in non-source distributions and almost no one makes a stink about, so I suspect that the main reason why this is being brought up specifically is because a lot of people have beef with Ollama for not even giving any kind of public credit to llama.cpp for being the beating heart of their system.
Had they been less weird about giving credit in the normal, just-being-polite way I don't think anyone would have noticed that technically the license requires them to give a particular kind of attribution.
Many, many projects on GitHub don’t do it and are not license compliant.
> The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in all copies or substantial portions of the Software.
Is your argument that a binary is not a copy or substantial portion of the Software?
If you distribute a binary, I think it's pretty obvious that either the binary itself should include the notice and the license, or the archive with the binary should include it. Ex: most packaging systems include the licenses in the docs directory that nobody looks at, which is probably sufficient.
Thank you to the GGML team for the tensor library that powers Ollama’s inference – accessing GGML directly from Go has given a portable way to design custom inference graphs and tackle harder model architectures not available before in Ollama."
I think Ollama can improve TLDR and add more attribution to llama.cpp to their README. I don't understand why there's no reply from ollama maintainers for so long
No, MIT does not require that. The license says:
> The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in all copies or substantial portions of the Software.
The exact meaning of this sentence has never been challenged and never been ruled upon. Considering ollama's README has a link to llama.cpp's project page (which includes the license), I'd say the requirement has been satisfied.
It is certainly possible for a new Ollama user to not notice the acknowledgement.
[0]: https://github.com/ggml-org/llama.cpp/blob/master/LICENSE#L3...
I see it here? https://github.com/ollama/ollama/blob/main/llama/llama.cpp/L...
This issue seems to be the typical case of someone being bothered for someone else, because it implies there's no "recognition of source material" when there's quite a bit of symbiosis between the projects.
Broken window theory.
Not sure I'd say there is "symbiosis" between ModelScope and llama.cpp just because you could download models from there via llama.cpp, just like you wouldn't say there is symbiosis between LM Studio and Hugging Face, or even more fun example: YouTube <> youtube-dl/yt-dlp.
It's not worth much. That is a compeltely different thing.
What you mention equates to downloading a file from the web.
Ollama using code from llama.cpp without complying with the license terms is illegal.
Sending patches to ollama is less worthwhile than watching paint dry.
Why does anyone in the GenAI care about copyright, licenses, etc? (besides for being nice and getting the community to like you, which should matter for Ollama)
This whole field is built off piracy at a scale never before seen. Aaron Swartz blushes when he thinks about what Llama and other projects pulled off without anyone getting arrested. Why should I care when one piracy project messes with another?
The whole field is basically a celebration of copyright abolitionism and the creation of "dual power" ala 1917 Russia where copyright doesn't matter. Have some consistency and stop caring about this stuff.
There is a serious copyright / licensing issue? Nope.
Do any of you guys remember having a third_party_licenses folder after downloading a binary release from github/sourceforge? I think many popular tools will be out of compliance if this was checked...
Likely the only reason this is noteworthy is someone checked a year ago but no correction was ever made.
Also, am I missing something? How is this not sufficient? ollama/llama/lamma.cpp/LICENSE
rlpb•8h ago
https://github.com/ollama/ollama/blob/main/llama/llama.cpp/L... says:
"The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in all copies or substantial portions of the Software."
The issue submitter claims:
"The terms of the MIT license require that it distribute the copyright notice in both source and binary form."
But: a) that doesn't seem to be in the license text as far I can see; b) I see no evidence that upstream arranged to ship any notice in their binaries, so I don't see how it's reasonable to expect downstreams to do it; and c) in the distribution world (Debian, etc) that takes great care about license compliance, patching upstreams to include copyright notices in binaries isn't a thing. It's not the norm, and this is considered acceptable in our ecosystem.
Maybe I'm missing something, but the issue linked does not make the case that there's anything unacceptable going on here.
SillyUsername•8h ago
brookst•8h ago
Maybe they’re getting a legal opinion. Maybe they’re leaving it open while they talk business to business. Maybe the right person to address the issue is on vacation.
Lots of people and companies choose not to engage in public battles. I don’t think that should be read as a sign of guilt (or innocence).
arcfour•3h ago
Acknowledging the issue is something you are looking into does not incriminate you.
pama•8h ago
fn-mote•8h ago
> b) I see no evidence that upstream arranged to ship any notice in their binaries, so I don't see how it's reasonable to expect downstreams to do it
Downstream is not in compliance. The fact that upstream has made that compliance hard/impossible is not relevant to the fact that downstream is infringing.
int_19h•3h ago
mrguyorama•1h ago
grodriguez100•6h ago
A README is often included with binaries. That’s a good place to include any licensing information.
Tomte•6h ago
There is a whole industry of tools around it (Fossid, Fossa, BlackDuck, Snyk), as well as Open Source projects ( FOSSology, scancode, oss-review-toolkit).
Re: Debian, they have copyright files in their packaged that are manually curated by Debian Developers and should include all those license texts and copyright notices.