It was a money machine until it wasn’t.
Radio Shack has to sell everything, couldn’t offer a good variety of devices, and didn’t have the staff to support people with complicated PC purchases. If cell phones blew up earlier radio shack would still be around.
In my mind microcenter mostly sells PC parts that you plug in or stick into a card slot, although apparently they do also sell some electronics components a hobbyist might solder to a board.
Looks about right! I thought Sayal was scattered across US so my bad :l
A big box product store opening that sells plug and play stuff is to me, personally, not worthy of bearing the title Electronics. It’s not news worthy for hackers. I could say that out of smugness but very often I’m confronted with sales staff that don’t know much about what they’re selling, and I end up (playfully?) educating them about the products, so I suspect this would be much the same.
The “Maker” space as it’s called today is amazing but I guess done to death so nobody talks about it?
There are of course no real contenders today that warrant bringing up Radio Shack in any way (but people still do as if it’s relevant). RS put a gorilla’s weight behind teaching people how to fish that when they left, they left a massive cultural void that nobody has since filled and is unlikely to fill. The world has moved on.
Because I’m in Toronto, grew up here, have lived in SF/Bay, back when Fry’s was around.
Sayal in Toronto was my go to electronics store. I didn’t realize they were in the US? Unless it’s a different one.
That said, a big box computer retailer is worth something. For the most part, I've found that sales people know something about computers. Contrast that to general consumer electronics stores where sales people know nothing about everything. If you know what you want, they also tend to be better than smaller computer stores. In that case, you're basically paying someone to do mail order for you.
The service is unmatched by any retailer.
They have a dedicated asile to custom water cooling items which shows how serious they are about enthusiasts.
I used to order my new set ups on Newegg but now I just got to Microcenter
I think the tipping point was newegg the store vs newegg the marketplace.
Newegg "the store" was pretty great, newegg "the marketplace" not so much. And unlike amazon at least newegg tells you who the seller is and keeps a big "only show results from the newegg store" filter present. but even despite that the store is not nearly as great as it once was.
I wonder if there is anything left of amazon "the store", perhaps if you buy a book? Or has amazon "the marketplace" consumed everything.
It's not that things can't go wrong, it's just that they are much better at handling it than Newegg these days.
Most of my online computing purchases now come from B&H in New York City. Super fast shipping and I’ve never had a bad order experience.
If the customer isn't savvy the knowledgeable customer service adds a lot of value.
I doubt Microcenter ever expands to the number of locations that BestBuy /circuit city/compusa/etc had, but it might have enough of a market for one or two locations in the top 10 to 20 metros.
Micro Center might not be optimal on price, but sometimes you just want to wander a store full of cool stuff and maybe walk out with something you didn't expect, instead of another anonymous box of schmutz from Amazon or wherever
https://www.microcenter.com/product/652517/pny-nvidia-rtx-a4...
It also depends on your local market; my location seems to carry more server and HEDT gear than others (they stock more A- and W-series GPUs than 5090s, at least). They've also purchased things I've requested, like ECC DRAM for my Threadripper, which I also purchased from them.
When online became infested with counterfeits and opened returns with no way to distinguish.
Anyone ordering computer parts from Amazon is just asking to get fleeced nowadays.
(I've never really understood why a tech hub as large and historical as Seattle doesn't have one. It's weird that it's such a relative desert.)
It appears that the pole of inaccessibility for Micro Center for a place in the lower 48 on an interstate is around Spokane to Missoula (Santa Clara vs Denver), but that's only about 3 hours' longer drive than you would have.
When they have the thing that I want, I'd prefer to go there, rather than order online.
Also, I've never seen opened returns re-shinkwrapped and sold again as new at Micro Center, unlike in stories about Fry's. There are some wire shelves where opened returns are sold at a small discount, clearly labeled.
Incidentally, would be nice to also have a good surplus and e-cycling store browsing adventure in town. But I guess the economics are difficult, when real estate is so expensive, and most of the few customers for unusual stuff are online. (That local hobbyists could save a lot of money on shipping cost of decommissioned corporate and lab gear, or make impulse purchases they wouldn't online, probably isn't enough, I'd guess.)
Worth mentioning that they price match Amazon
I bought a CPU cooler there a few months back - the guy at checkout told me to pull up the Amazon listing on my phone so he could knock some cash off
https://community.microcenter.com/kb/articles/6-do-you-price...
The store gets some mileage out of being known for price-matching competitors (even online competitors, where that'd be a bit much).
(Well, occasionally I have questioned in-store, when a major chain shows one price on the Web, available at a specific brick&mortar location, but when you get to that location, there's a much higher price on the shelf. Now I tend to order for pickup at those stores, which is more work for them, just to lock in the Web-advertised price, rather than the switcheroo price.)
I frankly enjoy fighting stores on pricing and get dopamine from a good deal and it pains me to pay more than necessary even if I can afford it just fine. I understand not everyone is like this.
There was a period a year or two ago where if you leaked cookies and ad tracking to Amazon and deliberately clicked through to competing sites their algorithm would aggressively slash pricing far below MSRP. I admit I would use this technique in microcenter to get Amazon to give me ludicrously cheap pricing then turn around and make them price match for instant gratification.
Retail/amazon operate at a much higher margin than most people realize.
Then why don’t their 10-Ks and 10-Qs show it? There is a reason it has a reputation of being a cutthroat business. Out of all the big retail businesses, only Home Depot/Lowes has 8%+ profit margins, and Apple obviously.
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/WMT/walmart/net-pr...
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/BBY/best-buy/net-p...
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/COST/costco/net-pr...
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/KR/kroger/net-prof...
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/ACI/albertsons/net...
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/TGT/target/net-pro...
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/JWN/nordstrom/net-...
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/M/macys/net-profit...
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/WBA/walgreens/net-...
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/CVS/cvs-health/net...
Bezos's wealth is ~100% due to stock appreciation, which in turn is tied much more closely to AWS than to the consumer store.
Which some people were known to do, and then return their old unit in the new box for a refund.
So model numbers are sometimes changed far more freqently than device characteristics or features are changed.
Seemed like they were intentionally flexible enough at the beginning so they would be able to go forward with any and all manufacturers that might turn out to prevail, back when nobody knew for sure.
Whether the future would more strongly include Apple, IBM compatibles, or any other alternatives which have come & went.
It was a "superstore" by design, decades before Walmart got there through its unavoidable momentum.
The vast majority of items do need to fly off the shelf, but it's best not to purge too much of everything else. The smartest operators can actually stock a larger number of slower-moving items too.
Also I have seen some affordable stock pulled from the shelves and online like smaller capacity SATA SSDs, after higher-capacity or more modern units naturally replace them as technology progresses. Looks like they mark down the less-modern units, or they won't move at all, and those can then end up at the point where further markdown would be below cost. All remaining stock disappears to a liquidator, which are more common than ever these days. Just when you thought it was really going to get good. It used to be easier to browse for "stragglers" that were too expensive when first released, if you waited a year or two those prices could be really slashed when more modern versions took over the mainstream, if you could find any stock remaining.
I drive right by the one in Houston almost every week where you can see the store conveniently a block away from the freeway, only sometimes for that same reason the traffic can get so bad that it's a 20 minute ordeal getting back out of the parking lot, down that block, and back on the freeway :\
So sometimes I'll wait a few weeks before just dropping in, but it's also always been good to have when you need something right away.
Except recently when I knew exactly what I wanted, a 2TB SATA laptop HDD, not an SSD for this particular PC. I still had a 1TB NIB in my storage unit from a few years ago when I picked up a couple but only used one at the time.
Well, these days they had nothing. Except a few items of one SKU that was your typical modern garbagey SMR HDD, which modern SMR is miserably sluggish (you know, like a snail without a shell) by comparison to regular HDDs from previous decades (which were all conventional CMR until some SMR bozo came along). SMR is very frustrating even for long-term storage, and completely useless in a laptop. Give me a break.
Had to then go to the storage unit and dig out the 1TB one I already had.
Nobody's fault but mine for shopping and trying to be a consumer when it's not absolutely necessary :\
Could I have gotten it cheaper online? Probably. But when you have 36 hours notice that you need to build out Wi-Fi, you can't beat Micro Center.
I've started buying parts retail instead of online just because of how much I enjoy Microcenter. The interior does need a bit of a renovation though, it looks almost identical to how it did in the 90s.
Are 1990s customers and their children in Microcenter target market?
Should the next Microcenter aesthetic be 2000s, 2010s, 2020s or 2090s?
Wow, that sounds like a great day!
> The interior does need a bit of a renovation though, it looks almost identical to how it did in the 90s.
I think it would really bring me joy if I walked in and they were playing early 90s Beck, Soundgarden, Letters To Cleo...
In New Hampshire, I am positive Micro Center would attract customers from all over New England and make an absolute killing from sales, potentially overshadowing their Cambridge profits. I would never shop online or in Cambridge for hardware again. But, I’m sure they wish not to jeopardize the Cambridge store or their MIT and Boston tech hobbyist clientele. Otherwise, I am surprised they have not yet acted upon this idea.
But, a man can dream!
Each minute of driving costs at least $0.67 (from IRS), excluding increased morbidity and mortality risks (injury from car collisions is the top health risk for most Americans).
So even using $0.50 per minute of driving, if you are only going to NH to evade sales tax, that is 80min*$0.50cents = $40. $40/0.0625 =$640.
So the first $640 of the purchase doesn't even save you any money (even more for most Bostonians further than Cambridge), and it costs you 1 to 2 hours of your life driving back and forth. If you value your leisure time at at least $100 per hour, then you're looking at spending at least $2,200 for the tax evasion to start paying off.
I'm just positing why Microcenter will not open a NH location anytime soon, because most of its customers (who are in Boston metro) won't find that it pays off to travel to NH.
It's not always logical, but sometimes you find yourself outside of the city or heading north to be wilderness and the value prop changes if you're already heading that way.
I agree that MC won't open one here, as we can't even get an IKEA closer than Stoughton.
Regardless if they gave me any help during that particular visit or not.
"Demolishing the Fry's Electronics in Burbank", 100 comments (2025), https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43677862
"Fry's Electronics is closing all stores", 300 comments (2021), https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26246435
"Is Fry’s Electronics in trouble?", 350 comments (2020), https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21945492
"The Fry's Era", 150 comments (2019), https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20853834
Electronics Surplus Stores
"Sundown for Surplus" (2018), https://www.eham.net/article/41444
"End of an Era: Weird Stuff Warehouse closed" (2018), https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/04/08/sjm-l-weirdstuff-0408...
> "Is Fry’s Electronics in trouble?", 350 comments (2020), https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21945492
This made me chuckle. Betteridge’s law is more of what you’d call a guideline than a rule.
The store was tiny and then grew over time to be huge. I live in NJ now and they have a store about 40 minutes away from me. I'm surprised they are still around given e-commerce and all the other stores that have collapsed. Happy they are--it's always fun to walk through the store like in the good old days and see what you can find.
In comparison, Best Buy is a disaster lol; I hadn't been since Obama was in office, needed to buy a new tv, and it felt more like "electronics" Value City Furniture crossed with TJ Maxx than anything that came before it (Sun TV, Incredible Universe, etc).
At least at Micro Center you can expect a disheveled-yet-tucked-Oxford salesperson to come bother you until you say "I'm good, just put your sticker on the stuff I'm gonna buy" rather than some burned-out retail drone in a blue polo who tries to hard-sell you on a sound bar you didn't ask for!
Unfortunately this new one is in the same shopping center as Harbor Freight and it's close to where I live - this could get expensive... Mean to shop at one, end up shopping at both...
The lines on the "insider" opening day 5/28 were pretty long - I waited about an hour in line just to get into the store and the checkout line was over an hour long.
However, based on my purchases that day, I fear they will be unpleasant to shop at - even when busy, they were annoyingly upselling extended warranties. The sales associate on the floor tried to sell me on a plan for a laptop I bought and then, while there were hundreds of people waiting to checkout, the cashier spent time doing so AGAIN. Both were just following their mandated scripts and were at least nice about it all. They apparently also have some sort of rule that the customer buying something like a laptop also needs to "meet" with the sales associate's manager/supervisor - which was a completely useless awkward perfunctory handshake (and the customer survey asked if this meeting had happened so it appears to be an annoying institutional rule).
Whenever I get a survey that asks dumb questions like that, I just answer "yes" so that the employees don't get harassed for not asking those dumb questions to me in person.
"Were you warmly welcomed by a team member?" You bet I was!
"Did one of our team members tell you about our partnership with the Heart and Stroke Foundation?" Sure, why not?
My small city in Canada has an awesome Memory Express in it. And it's packed with ~16 year old gamers and their dads spending big $ on stuff.
I'm fucking pumped for brick-and-mortar, though. Bring more bricks.
I couldn't believe upon moving to the bay in the aughts that there was nowhere to buy a decent computer. I'm glad they finally have a place to buy a computer out there.
Huge Ubiquiti display and demo area. I didn’t buy anything today because the checkout line was too long. My daughter liked the Magna Tile selection in the toys area.
Really great to have this much selection nearby.
As a child whose modest income was derived solely from weekly lawn mowing, needless to say I coincidentally became quite accomplished at beating PC games within a month's time.
In defense of my somewhat dubious behavior, I did go back as an older teenager with far more disposable income and purchase a ton of big-box PC games from them. Most of which I still have including one of my all-time favorite RPGs, Betrayal at Krondor.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Microcenter/comments/1kymzcd/update...
I've had great luck with Cleveland, Cincinnati, and Chicago stores, and there is now one in Indianapolis that is clean and up-to-date.
I'm amazed there aren't more of these stores nationwide.
I live in San Diego, and (luckily) the closest one is an hour drive away in Tustin.
California, 1/8 of the US population, and the world's 4th largest economy, has "after years of waiting" 2 stores 8-/
I can only reminisce about the olden days when there were dozens of "bin stores", with electronic components, test equipment, new and used gear of every variety, and staff that knew about the stock.
Apparently, modern electronic developers feel that ordering from Alibaba is some kind of viable substitute 8-/
This whole disappearance, coupled with the disappearance of the many many small local electronics development firms, is a clear sign of the demise of the American republic.
The elimination of small independent tech companies, and the supply chain that went with them, from our communities and our economy has been a disaster for the american people, and quite frankly, I couldn't care less how many vulture capital fanbois disagree with me...
My theory of how you tell you're rich or not is that you walk into a store and you can buy whatever you want without caring what the price tag is.
I'm rich at the grocery store, I'm not rich at Micro Center.
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I have a pc with 24GB 3090 card capable of running LLMs locally, but our electricity costs make API calls much more reasonable.
Even gaming -- streaming geforce now is cheaper than ammortizing cost of power + hardware over time
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A discrimination lawsuit almost every year since 2009.
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IMHO, there was a drop in good deals around the time they got rid of the purchaser who was doing the embezzleing (2008), and also new stores started opening with 'boring corporate store' theme ('new' sunnyvale store, vegas). If I'm gonna be at a boring corporate store and not getting good deals, why bother?
Then there was the year? or so of circling the drain when there was some sort of credit problem and they tried to switch from owning inventory to a consignment model and most of their vendors weren't interested so they had no inventory.
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