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Revisiting Minsky's Society of Mind in 2025

https://suthakamal.substack.com/p/revisiting-minskys-society-of-mind
64•suthakamal•7h ago

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suthakamal•7h ago
As a teen in the '90s, I dismissed Marvin Minsky’s 1986 classic, The Society of Mind, as outdated. But decades later, as monolithic large language models reach their limits, Minsky’s vision—intelligence emerging from modular "agents"—seems strikingly prescient. Today’s Mixture-of-Experts models, multi-agent architectures, and internal oversight mechanisms are effectively operationalizing his insights, reshaping how we think about building robust, scalable, and aligned AI systems.
detourdog•4h ago
I was very inspired by the book in 1988-89 as a second year industrial design student. I think this has been a thread on HN about 2 years ago.
generalizations•5h ago
Finally someone mentions this. Maybe I've been in the wrong circles, but I've been wishing I had the time to implement a society-of-mind-inspired system ever since llamacpp got started, and I never saw anyone else reference it until now.
sva_•2h ago
Honestly, I never really saw the point of it. It seems like introducing a whole bunch of inductive biases, which Richard Sutton's 'The Bitter Lesson' warned against.
fishnchips•4h ago
Having studied sociology and psychology in my previous life I am now surprised how relevant some of the almost forgotten ideas became to my current life as a dev!
colechristensen•4h ago
MIT OpenCourseWare course including video lectures taught by Minsky himself:

https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/6-868j-the-society-of-mind-fall-...

suthakamal•4h ago
amazing find. thank you for sharing this!
fossuser•4h ago
> Eventually, I dismissed Minsky’s theory as an interesting relic of AI history, far removed from the sleek deep learning models and monolithic AI systems rising to prominence.

That was my read of it when I checked it out a few years ago, obsessed with explicit rules based lisp expert systems and "good old fashioned AI" ideas that never made much sense, were nothing like how our minds work, and were obvious dead ends that did little of anything actually useful (imo). All that stuff made the AI field a running joke for decades.

This feels a little like falsely attributing new ideas that work to old work that was pretty different? Is there something specific from Minsky that would change my mind about this?

I recall reading there were some early papers that suggested some neural network ideas more similar to the modern approach (iirc), but the hardware just didn't exist at the time for them to be tried. That stuff was pretty different from the mainstream ideas at the time though and distinct from Minsky's work (I thought).

spiderxxxx•3h ago
I think you may be mistaking Society of Mind with a different book. It's not about lisp or "good old fashioned AI" but about how the human mind may work - something that we could possibly simulate. It's observations about how we perform thought. The ideas in the book are not tied to a specific technology, but about how a complex system such as the human brain works.
suthakamal•2h ago
I don't think we're talking about the same book. Society of Mind is definitely not an in-the weeds book that digs into things like lisp, etc. in any detail. Instead of changing your mind, I'd encourage you to re-read Minsky's book if you found my essay compelling, and ignore it if not.
adastra22•2h ago
You are surrounded by GOFAI programs that work well every moment of your life. From air traffic control planning, do heuristics based compiler optimization. GOFAI has this problem where as soon as they solve a problem and get it working, it stops being “real AI” in the minds of the population writ large.
fossuser•2h ago
Because it isn't AI and it never was and had no path to becoming it, the new stuff is and the difference is obvious.
mcphage•1h ago
Philosophy has the same problem, as a field. Many fields of study have grown out of philosophy, but as soon as something is identified, people say “well that’s not Philosophy, that’s $X” … and then people act like philosophy is useless and hasn’t accomplished anything.
empiko•2h ago
I completely agree with you and I am surprised by the praise in this thread. The entire research program that this books represents is dead for decades already.
photonthug•1h ago
It seems like you might be confusing "research programs" with things like "branding" and surface-level terminology. And probably missing the fact that society-of-mind is about architecture more than implementation, so it's pretty agnostic about implementation details.

Here, enjoy this thing clearly building on SoM and edited earlier this week: ideas https://github.com/camel-ai/camel/blob/master/camel/societie...

suthakamal•1h ago
I pretty clearly articulate the opposite. What's your evidence to support your claim?
drannex•3h ago
Good timing, I just started rereading my copy last week to get my vibe back.

Not only is it great for tech nerds such as ourselves for tech, but its a great philosophy on thinking about and living life. Such a phenomenal read, easy, simple, wonderful format, wish more tech-focused books were written in this style.

mblackstone•1h ago
In 2004 I previewed Minsky's chapters-in-progress for "The Emotion Machine", and exchanged some comments with him (which was a thrill for me). Here is an excerpt from that exchange: Me: I am one of your readers who falls into the gap between research and implementation: I do neither. However, I am enough of a reader of research, and have done enough implementation and software project management that when I read of ideas such as yours, I evaluate them for implementability. From this point of view, "The Society of Mind" was somewhat frustrating: while I could well believe in the plausibility of the ideas, and saw their value in organizing further thought, it was hard to see how they could be implemented. The ideas in "The Emotion Machine" feel more implementable.

Minsky: Indeed it was. So, in fact, the new book is the result of 15 years of trying to fix this, by replacing the 'bottom-up' approach of SoM by the 'top-down' ideas of the Emotion machine.

suthakamal•1h ago
agree. A lot has changed in the last 20 years, which makes SoM much more applicable. I would've agreed in 2004 (and say as much in the essay).

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