Juneteenth in Photos

https://texashighways.com/travel-news/the-history-of-juneteenth-in-photos/

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sfblah•4h ago

I substantially prefer the term "Emancipation Day," as it gets the point across more clearly. Lots of people don't know what "Juneteenth" means, since it's not a real word.

ryanmcbride•4h ago

Well they've got plenty of time to learn.

As far as I know most people consider Emancipation Day the day that the Emancipation Proclamation was signed into law in 1863, whereas Juneteenth marks the day 2.5 years later that the last known enslaved people were freed from the people who decided to just not tell them about the law.

ghastmaster•4h ago

This is not true. The last slaves in the United States were set free by the thirteenth amendment in Delaware, IIRC. Emancipation Day could make sense as the last slaves freed by the emancipation proclamation took place on that date.

General Order No. 3 - June 19, 1865

Thirteenth Amendment - December 6, 1865

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Order_No._3#Misconcept...

Text:

A common misconception holds that the Emancipation Proclamation freed all slaves in the United States, or that the General Order No. 3 on June 19, 1865, marked the end of slavery in the United States. In fact, the Thirteenth Amendment, ratified and proclaimed in December 1865, was the article that made slavery illegal in the United States nationwide, not the Emancipation Proclamation.[6][7][8][9]

Another common misconception is that it took over two years for news of the Emancipation Proclamation to reach Texas, and that slaves did not know they had already been freed by it. In fact, news of the Proclamation had reached Texas long before 1865, and many slaves knew about Lincoln's order emancipating them, but they had not been freed since the Union army had yet to reach Texas to enforce the Proclamation. Only after the arrival of the Union army and General Order No. 3 was the Proclamation widely enforced in Texas.

lukas099•4h ago

In my opinion, we still have slaves in the USA. (In prison, as explicitly allowed by the 13th Amendment)

ryanmcbride•4h ago

Interesting thanks for the information.

Regardless, people have been calling it Juneteenth for over a hundred years, it was made a national holiday as Juneteenth, I'm gonna keep calling it that.

ghastmaster•2h ago

In Texas and maybe celebrated in other places(I haven't done the research) this is true. For a large swath of the United States it was obscure or unknown. Most of us learned about the Emancipation Proclamation though. Making Juneteenth a holiday rather than the Date of the Emancipation Proclamation is odd to me. It is as odd to me as say, celebrating Independence Day on the date the last colony got word of the signing on, hypothetically, July 5th.

stirfish•3h ago

>The last slaves in the United States were set free by the thirteenth amendment

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Section 2

Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

You may be surprised to learn that, coincidentally, America has more people in prison than anywhere else.

mateo411•3h ago

The Emancipation Proclamation freed very few slaves. The order did not apply to areas of the Union which still had slaves, nor did it apply to areas of the Confederacy occupied by the Union. Although, it did apply to unoccupied areas of the Confederacy. The government of the Confederacy was unlikely to follow an order issued by the Union during the Civil War.

It may have encouraged some slaves in the Confederacy to flee, if they found out about it.

ImJamal•4h ago

Did the Emancipation Proclamation actual emancipate anybody? The South didn't free them and the proclamation explicitly allowed the Northern states that had slavery to continue to have slaves.

bilbo0s•3h ago

Not to put too fine a point on it, but maybe that's why black Americans celebrate Juneteenth instead?

Kind of makes sense to me.

mistrial9•2h ago

African-Americans in coastal California for the most part do not care about Juneteenth.. African-American politicians do try to get a photo op. A very large majority of low income African-Americans in North and Southern California, do not care about this day, do not mention it, do not do special events for it, do not mark it on any calendar or gather with special clothes on for it. compare and contrast to "Kwanzaa" also

source: been there, done that

dragonwriter•2h ago

> Black Americans in coastal California do not care about Juneteenth..

Some do, some don't. "Black Americans in Coastal California" aren't a homogenous group, and this varies a lot by things like family geographic history, socioeconomic status, and a variety of other factors.

Source: Also been there, also done that.

bilbo0s•1h ago

Sorry, what do you guys mean by "been there, done that"?

Do you mean that you're slave descended black americans, and, in the case of HN User mistrial9, therefore speak for most of the slave descended black americans in coastal California?

Or do you guys mean that you celebrate Juneteenth. Thus, "been there, done that"?

The former I would challenge you on, despite obviously not being "black american coastal Californian?". The latter I would never challenge you on as that's your business.

Larrikin•35m ago

It's a federal holiday now so there eventually will be a tradition around the whole country.

Black AF takes place in California and the main character had a huge celebration with his entire extended family before it was even a federal holiday.

stonemetal12•3h ago

Yes it did. When the Northern army was in Southern territory they would free the local slaves. They would then recruit volunteers into the army. Not sure how many they freed but they did pick up about 200k soldiers that way.

dragonwriter•3h ago

> Juneteenth marks the day 2.5 years later that the last known enslaved people were freed

Nope, just the last in the Confederate States; the last Union chattel slaves (e.g., in Delaware) were freed by operation of law a few months later with the ratification of the 13th Amendment.

(And that's not even discussing penal slavery allowed under the 13th Amendment.)

TremendousJudge•1h ago

>(And that's not even discussing penal slavery allowed under the 13th Amendment.)

To expand on this, knowingbetter did an in-depth video on this topic[0]. The salient bit is that penal slavery was ended in 1941-1942 by Roosevelt, so that the Japanese couldn't use it as war propaganda against the US.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4kI2h3iotA

pvg•4h ago

Trucktober and Frappuccino aren't "real words" but most Americans know what they mean. The unfamiliarity with Juneteenth is not due to the unrealness of the word.

loughnane•4h ago

Both of those are portmanteau's, giving hints as to their meaning. No such thing with Juneteenth.

I agree lack of familiarity isn't because it's "unreal"---we invent words all the time, but I agree with OP that we could have come up with a better name. I bet if you I were to walk down the street here and ask 10 people what Juneteenth is only 1 would be able to do better than: "something to do with freeing the slaves".

pvg•4h ago

Juneteenth is the same sort of portmanteau as Trucktober. Plus holidays have weird names. What's a Christmas, a Mardi Gras, a Festivus? It's almost entirely a matter of usage and familiarity.

delecti•3h ago

I mean, Christ Mass is also the same sort of portmanteau.

And as an aside, I was curious about Festivus. Apparently it's Latin for "excellent, jovial, lively."

pvg•3h ago

You're pre-qualified for the Feats of Strength but not, so far, for the Airing of Grievances.

Izkata•2m ago

Origin of Festivus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1njzgXSzA-A

The writer of this episode based it on a family tradition.

SketchySeaBeast•2h ago

Yeah, people get their knickers in a twist about Juneteenth but will say "February" like that makes complete sense.

quesera•4h ago

How is "Juneteenth" any less of a portmanteau than "Frappuccino"?

It's been called Juneteenth for more than a century, and has been a state holiday for almost half a century.

Wouldn't it be even more ridiculous if the US federal government took an existing celebration and renamed it?

loughnane•3h ago

There both portmanteau but Frappuccino combines two things you can envision. A date doesn’t unless the association already existed.

Regardless of its history I venture that 95% of the population hadn’t heard the word before 2020, so it’s not like it was in the public consciousness.

You’re right though, even if almost joined knew about it, it _did_ have a name and so def tough to change it.

pvg•3h ago

A June and a -teenth is no harder to envision than a Frapp and a CCino. It's a silly tangent.

loughnane•2h ago

Agree it’s a silly nitpick of language. I’ll keep picking.

Picturing a frappe and cappuccino gives you a sense for what a Frappuccino _is_. Picturing june and thirteenth/nineteenth only gives you sense for _when_ it is.

In only contend a better name would be one where the name suggests something about the content to someone hearing it for the first time.

pvg•2h ago

The name of the holiday, so named by the people affected, is a century and change old. The problem isn't the quality of the name, which is where we started.

derstander•1h ago

Wait until you hear about September through December not being the 7th through 10th months of the year.

They don’t even give you a sense for _when_ they are. Or, more accurately, they give you the _wrong_ sense for when they are by name alone.

pyridines•1h ago

Another American holiday coming up with an equally useless name is Fourth of July. Nobody seems to have a problem with that name, and nobody I know calls it Independence Day. Neither Fourth of July or Juneteenth are great names out of context, but they both have histories behind them and can't be changed anymore.

Heck, Juneteenth is a better name, since it is not literally month+day.

ghushn3•1h ago

Wait until you hear about Cinco De Mayo!

assimpleaspossi•25m ago

In the case of Frappuccino, many people care. In the other case, most people don't care.

ryanmcbride•4h ago

This is such a weird hill to die on

loughnane•3h ago

I’m not dying on this hill, I just think the name could be better, but I don’t particularly care. It’s not as though I’ve got a beef with the celebrating the freedom of slaves. I think that’s essential for America to celebrate.

pessimizer•1h ago

It's simply important, while celebrating slavery, to correct the way that black people speak. Just so they'll be understood. Just so they'll know that regular people don't talk like that.

qualeed•3h ago

>ask 10 people what Juneteenth is only 1 would be able to do better than: "something to do with freeing the slaves".

That shouldn't be considered a naming failure. It's an education failure.

loughnane•3h ago

It’s both. The name Juneteenth requires more education than, say, emancipation day or something along those lines.

Easy names require less “education” than hard names.

pc86•3h ago

Ask the same 10 people what "Emancipation Day" is and you'll have 7 or 8 people say the same thing even though it's not even an actual holiday.

Jordan-117•3h ago

June (nine)teenth, seems pretty straightforward to me. Clearer than All Hallows' Evening --> Halloween.

>I bet if you I were to walk down the street here and ask 10 people what Juneteenth is only 1 would be able to do better than: "something to do with freeing the slaves".

And lots of people think Cinco de Mayo is Mexico's Independence Day, doesn't make the holiday any less valid. It's just an issue of education.

loughnane•3h ago

I’m not saying the holiday isn’t valid, I think it’s a great holiday. The name is all I take exception to.

Eventually we’ll all know what it is, but that eventually would be sooner with a better name.

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF•2h ago

> but that eventually would be sooner with a better name

Do you have some basis for thinking this? I rather suspect the reason White Americans don't know about it has more to do with the fact that it celebrates Black American history and culture, which is just not that popular among White Americans. (Of course there are exceptions, but the point is they're exceptions.) I seriously doubt that the name is the problem. The problem is that relatively few people are interested.

naniwaduni•3h ago

The really striking thing is how poorly the name distinguishes the date from the seven days before it...

Jordan-117•1h ago

Ju(ne) n(in)eteenth! :D

Zigurd•2h ago

I'm white AF and this thread is cringe. "We" didn't name it, for starters. It would take an electron microscope to find the amount of self-awareness to avoid suggesting better alternatives. Damn.

browningstreet•2h ago

White guy here, and I have never heard of "Trucktober"..

I'm also going to my local Juneteenth events (in Oakland).. that said, I did have to look it up a few years ago.

EDIT: Yeah, downvote me, I replied to the wrong sub-thread post. Made more sense w/r/t resistance to Juneteenth naming.

pvg•1h ago

I have never heard of "Trucktober"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzPBaC6VPuU

You must be some sort of communist! There's a Trucktober question on the naturalization test, right before the one about Thanksgiving.

libraryatnight•1h ago

I don't know what your point is. You know Frappaccino? So his point stands? Regardless of his examples, we deal with no end of made up nonsense words, rarely anybody bats an eye until it sounds black and has to do with black people.And yes, this is a thing, this thread is the umpteenth one I've encountered today with people undermining and questioning the name for what amounts to it sounding black.

So your anecdote isn't useful. Kind of the opposite.

kreetx•4h ago

While I'm from EU and didn't know either then Juneteenth seems to be well known enough: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juneteenth.

GLdRH•4h ago

I'm pretty sure less than 1% of people in the EU would know what Juneteenth means. I didn't remember either. I just remembered I read it somewhere before and would have guessed it was something like pi day or star wars day.

bilbo0s•3h ago

Why would anyone in Europe, know when the slaves in the US were freed? Or even when the slaves in Brazil were freed? Or Peru? Or Colombia? Or Cuba?

I mean won't every nation have its own history and important days? And it seems to me that those days in every nation will be different. I'd even wager very few of us, (far less than 1%), know what those important days are called in other nations.

tenebrisalietum•4h ago

- It's in a dictionary: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Juneteenth.

- At least one local bank website I've gone to today has a banner saying it is closed and uses the word "Juneteenth."

This seems to be reasonable enough to consider it a real word.

Additionally, the term "Emancipation Day" is inaccurate (and therefore obfuscatory) because slavery is still legal and constitutional if you are convicted of a crime. Emancipation doesn't accurately describe the current state unless this is no longer true. I'm going by this dictionary definition of "emancipation": https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/emancipation

GLdRH•4h ago

I'm pretty sure you're making a political point but: How are criminals enslaved? Who owns them?

ryanmcbride•4h ago

The prisons. I mean more specifically the state or federal government ultimately but the prisons more practically.

The 13th amendment specifically carves out an exception to allow prisoners to be enslaved. They aren't just using political rhetoric: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_exception_clause

You know in movies and cartoons and stuff when you'd see like, a whole bunch of prisoners in striped pajamas, chained together breaking rocks or digging ditches or whatever? Those are depictions of an enslaved workforce.

GLdRH•3h ago

Forced labor for criminals isn't the same as being a slave. They are not owned by the state. We have a similar sounding exception clause in Germany, and nobody would call the prisoners slaves.

That being said, I don't doubt that the american prison systems has severe problems, for example the one raised in the other answer to my previous comment.

ryanmcbride•3h ago

That's cool but I'm not talking about Germany.

JohnFen•3h ago

> Forced labor for criminals isn't the same as being a slave.

The difference is so slight as to be meaningless.

delecti•3h ago

The text of the 13th amendment makes a direct equivalence between the chattel slavery it outlawed and the incarcerated forced labor that it left unaffected:

> Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, *except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted*, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction

The plain reading of that text is that slavery remains a permitted punishment in the US.

GLdRH•3h ago

I don't know much about constitutional law, either german or american, but I know you often can't just "plain read" the text.

stirfish•3h ago

Maybe some additional context would help.

Right after the civil war,

1. slavery became illegal, except as punishment for a crime

2. a ton of vague laws sprung up, like "malicious mischief". Look up "Jim Crow" or "black codes" to get a sense of these.

3. States started "convict-leasing" out prisoners as a source of income, often right back to the plantations that slaves were liberated from before. The convicted were not paid for this labor.

Additional context: Virginia Supreme Court rules that inmates are slaves to the state in 1871: https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/slaves-s... Virginia held the capitol of the Confederacy - the states that tried to leave the USA to retain their slaves.

I forget why the crime exception was added to the 13th amendment, but I assume it was to make it more palatable to the states that still wanted slaves

stirfish•3h ago

> nobody would call the prisoners slaves.

We Americans don't like doing that either, because it makes us uncomfortable.

>Forced labor for criminals isn't the same as being a slave. They are not owned by the state.

I'm having trouble understanding how it's different. They are held by the state, forced to work, are not free to leave, and we have a bit of a history...

SoftTalker•2h ago

It’s the “convicted of a crime” part that makes it different.

lukas099•2h ago

So we've come to the difference of opinions, which is that your definition of slavery excludes those convicted of a crime, while others' doesn't. Not a very interesting point to debate on.

SoftTalker•1h ago

Yes, I think there is a difference between being kidnapped from your home, shipped across the ocean and sold into a life of servitude (with any children you have being born into the same condition, or yourself being born into such a situation) vs. doing labor as part of a sentence for a crime of which you have been duly convicted (and will someday be released from). That is my opinion.

stirfish•33m ago

Would your opinion change if the legal system that permitted people to be kidnapped, shipped, and sold, was the same system that decided if you're a criminal fit to be kidnapped, shipped, and sold?

axus•4h ago

Here's an article, the power relationship was exercised by denying parole that would have otherwise been granted without a profit motive: https://archive.ph/0gVie

"Since 2018, about 575 companies and more than 100 public agencies in Alabama have used incarcerated people as landscapers, janitors, drivers, metal fabricators and fast-food workers, the lawsuit states, reaping an annual benefit of $450 million."

lukas099•4h ago

> The Black community began using the word Juneteenth for Jubilee Day early in the 1890s. [1]

I thought it was a neologism until I looked it up. Turns out, I'm just white.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juneteenth

zzrrt•3h ago

It is an old neologism, but the style feels surprisingly modern, and/or AAVE is so dominant today that even (youngish?) white people would have coined this type of abbreviation today.

> on June 19, 1866… "Jubilee Day"

> The Black community began using the word Juneteenth for Jubilee Day early in the 1890s.

downboots•31m ago

https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?year_start=1800&year_e...

John23832•4h ago

Not to be snarky, but they should just learn what it means? I could just as easily not know what emancipation means. I frankly have some family members that I'm sure don't.

jrm4•3h ago

I cannot possibly disagree with this more, "Juneteenth" is far superior.

Part of it is that it absolutely invokes AAVE. It forces people to consider and be reminded of Black American culture; "Emancipation Day" whitewashes the history a little bit and gives a little too much credit to the so-called "emancipators." Let's keep this centered on Black folks, where it belongs.

Invoking questions is a feature, not a bug.

logifail•1h ago

> Part of it is that it absolutely invokes AAVE. It forces people to consider and be reminded of Black American culture

If you don't already know what "Juneteenth" means, the word itself gives you nothing to help you understand. Literally zilch. It involkes nothing.

"Emancipation Day" does give the outsider a clue.

Names matter.

pessimizer•1h ago

Do Thanksgiving.

Also, if Serbia has some holidays that I can't recognize when I read them from a calendar, should Serbia change the names of them for me? Or is it only the words that black Americans use that aren't real when random people don't recognize them?

jrm4•1h ago

Again. GOOD GOOD GOOD.

What you have just told me is a FEATURE. Not a BUG.

I'm very GOOD with people "not immediately knowing." I like that. It forces them to learn about my people and culture.

"Juneteenth" makes you step in and perhaps get a little uncomfortable, like, hmm weird little Black-sounding phrase?

"Emancipation Day" frees (lol) you from engaging, you can just sort of take on the same ol same ol story, which, I imagine for many people starts with Abraham Lincoln and not Black people.

jwarden•45m ago

I didn't realize "Juneteenth" was considered "Black-sounding" by some people. Juneteenth is a pretty culturally mainstream term (being a national holiday). And forming new words using contractions doesn't seem like a typically Black-person thing to do.

I associate the term with Black people, not because of how it sounds, but because I know what it means and know about it's origin among formerly-enslaved Black communities.

IAmGraydon•19m ago

I had this conversation with a group of people today and literally not one of them knew its true origin and the word never propelled them to look into it further. They just assumed (correctly) that someone came up with the name because it’s in June and the nineTEENTH day, but they didn’t realize the term was actually used long ago.

So take from that anecdote what you will, but I’ll admit the name kind of has a modern sound and I don’t think it spurs the kind of curiosity that you hope it does.

Also, FWIW, the name “Emancipation Day” is also a commonly used name for the holiday, though not as common as Juneteenth.

rsynnott•1h ago

I mean... you could just look it up, if you didn't know. Plenty of places have obscurely-named holidays (for instance, a number of countries have Whit Monday as a holiday; good luck figuring out what _that_ is from the name...)

almostgotcaught•1h ago

> "Emancipation Day" does give the outsider a clue.

shall we also rename shabbat and yom kippur and purim so that "outsiders" can have a clue?

people are so tone deaf sometimes - it's not for you - it's for the people whose ancestors were freed on this day.

> the word itself gives you nothing to help you understand

neither does any other word that you don't bother to look up in dictionary or encyclopedia.

stirfish•25m ago

Actually, I guess we have! Notice how you typed "shabbat" and not "שבת". Much easier to Google.

ghushn3•1h ago

Ah, just like Easter, Christmas, Ramadan, Fat Tuesday, Valentine's Day, Purim, Holi, Passover, Cinco De Mayo, D-Day, etc. etc. etc.

Observances regularly don't give you a clue what they are about. Like, if you weren't already aware about Martin Luther King, Jr. day, you'd have to Google it to know what's up. Same with Rosh Hashana. Or Eid. I think you might be getting stuck on something that is demonstrably not a unique phenomena and it's reading a little like there's something about Juneteenth itself that's bothering you.

madeofpalk•57m ago

The UK just gave up and named them "Late May Bank Holiday".

bobxmax•1h ago

To backup the first posters point, I have no idea what Juneteenth is or how it relates to black history or black people.

yusefnapora•1h ago

Your ignorance is easily cured in the age of the internet. Why hold on to it?

tomluyer•1h ago

Yes. And those who believe everything on the internet are not igonorant. If its there it must be true!

ok_dad•1h ago

Don’t use strawman arguments mixed with sarcasm, it doesn’t help anyone. Not everything on the internet is a lie or propaganda.

Wikipedia is reliable enough to lookup what Juneteenth is, if you were really curious and not just complaining about the name.

tomluyer•43m ago

Theres no straw man arugement here. The fact is everything is on the internet. Telling someone their ignorant because its on the internet is a half truth. Its like saying I graduated from Harvard and therefore I had the best education money could buy and theres no way i'm ignorant. The straw was the ignorant comment and not providing what it is why it should be celebrated by Americans.

ok_dad•32m ago

Nah it’s really easy to understand Juneteenth if you just google it. Let’s not argue on the fringes of the subject and claim it applies here. Ignorant people always have excuses for why it’s too hard to become educated on a simple subject.

bobxmax•1h ago

I don't care enough to waste my time learning about America's latest attempt at making themselves feel better about their barbaric cultural history.

I'm simply commenting that "emanicipation day" is much clearer than "Juneteenth" - whether that's a good thing or not I have no opinion on as it has nothing to do with me.

ghushn3•1h ago

> America's latest attempt at making themselves feel better about their barbaric cultural history

This isn't a new phenomena. Juneteenth has been celebrated for well over a hundred years now.

assimpleaspossi•34m ago

By people in a small community in Texas and nowhere else. No one elsewhere heard of this thing till now. Now everyone pretends it's a big deal but it was strictly a local event there. You never heard of it till Biden's group brought it up. I bet I'm older than you (the reader). I never heard of this till Biden brought it up.

This holiday is beyond stupid when you consider that the guy who freed the slaves, Abraham Lincoln, doesn't have a Federal holiday where one gets the day off.

ghushn3•12m ago

> I bet I'm older than you (the reader). I never heard of this till Biden brought it up.

I'm in my mid-50s, maybe you are older than me. It's something I had heard about in the 2015-2020 timeframe. I'm white as fuck, but being online meant I saw tweet threads or short explainers about it for a few years. I didn't meet folks who celebrated it, but when I asked around to Black folks I knew they were like, "Yeah, it's a thing."

So I suspect that the holiday gained momentum among Black Americans and spread out from Texas sometime prior to me hearing about it, perhaps with the rise of social media, and then us folks who are out of the loop started hearing about it later. (Either through our own social media intake or through the declaration of a federal holiday.)

> This holiday is beyond stupid when you consider that the guy who freed the slaves, Abraham Lincoln, doesn't have a Federal holiday where one gets the day off.

Don't see why we can't have both.

assimpleaspossi•5m ago

Black people make up about 13% of the US population. Why would we need two national holidays about the same thing, essentially? Especially when the root of both would be the same thing.

This is beyond stupid.

Den_VR•53m ago

The American ethnocentrism is real and in FORCE when racism is involved. Not surprising for an American holiday relevant only to Americans.

typeofhuman•49m ago

I disagree. I think it should be centered on the western, Christian values that lead to the abolishing of a long practiced tradition.

KittenInABox•30m ago

The western, Christian values explicitly had slavery in them. The slave owners were Christian. I don't really see how religion has to do with the abolishment of race-based slavery, sadly.

typeofhuman•6m ago

Which values explicitly supported slavery?

tempaway43563•3h ago

argument about naming conventions is exactly what I expected to find on hn

antonymoose•2h ago

It’s not just an argument of name, it’s an argument of when. Go down to Charleston, SC where the local black population celebrates Emancipation Day on January 1st and has for a long, long time.

Juneteenth is in that context as artificial a holiday as Kwanza. I would imagine most other southern states have similar breaks with the Juneteenth holiday, in that it doesn’t represent the historical reality of their community.

chgs•1h ago

Thank you. As a non American I have no idea what it means - only knew something was up because the us markets didn’t seem to be moving.

pessimizer•1h ago

Why should the names of American holidays mean something to non-Americans? Would you know what Thanksgiving meant without looking it up?

macrael•4h ago

Happy Juneteenth! A reminder that we can change as a country. May we never have to liberate by war again.

typeofhuman•50m ago

It wasn't just changing a country. It was changing a long, long human tradition.

The value system and moral framework of the abolishinists spanned beyond the confines of country.

almostgotcaught•42m ago

completely fake/revisionist news; much of the world had outlawed/emancipated slavery/slaves prior to 1866:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_abolition_of_slave...

wikipedia is free.

pedalpete•33m ago

Technically correct, but there are 1 million nicer ways to make your point.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

user982•16m ago

Someone once tried to make the argument to me that African Americans should feel eternal gratitude toward whites for fighting a war to free them. The fact of the matter is that America is one of the very few countries in history to fight a war to keep slavery.

typeofhuman•4m ago

North Africa fought against the US to keep their slave trade.

Freedom2•7m ago

How will American HN commenters tell themselves they're the greatest country in the world now though?

typeofhuman•3m ago

It is. It's crazy how everyone loves to criticize and hate on America yet clamor to be there.

moomoo11•26m ago

Happy Juneteenth

Idk why so many people are upset or arguing. Sorry to add to the noise but I’m a naturalized citizen here and I feel like USA has so much history of doing better and moving things forward for everyone.

People all operate independently in thought here, but somehow since 1776 they have genuinely pushed society forward all things considered.

Everyone acting out of self interest but in a direction where things get better, objectively speaking, makes it a good society.

It is superior to living under dictatorships, corruption rotted “democracies”, or religious intolerance where the people always lose.

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