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Resurrecting flip phone typing as a Linux driver

https://github.com/FoxMoss/libt9
76•foxmoss•5h ago

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fimdomeio•5h ago
The great thing about those keyboards was that a lot of people could just turn off text prediction and type text with a single hand without looking at the screen.
jaffa2•4h ago
Huh?

The great thing about T9 (certainly on the Nokia 3210 and 8210) back in the day was you could type messages fast with few k/s without looking. As long as you had enough experience to know the word combos.

Ive never found a t9 system as good as the Nokia implementation. In some respects its better than qwerty for short messages. And don’t get me started on apples fundamentally broken auto correct system. People dont know any better these days. There’s actual adults walking today that have never typed on a real keyboard.

justsomehnguy•4h ago
T9 works good for English and simple texts. If you need some other language, declensions, conjugations and non-Latin script things are no longer good.
spookie•4h ago
Eh you would abbreviate things to hell to get around it. Helped with sms prices on those days too!
justsomehnguy•4h ago
Which makes T9 fail miserably because it works with a non-abbreviated words.

Later there were adaptive versions which had an auto-populated user dictionary but that made "a blind T9ing" prone to errors.

Dilettante_•3h ago
I want to say you could add custom words no problem? But it's been a hot minute, so I might be misremembering.
gmueckl•3h ago
Ericsson had a really good implementation for German. I would write entire text messages without looking.
kfarr•3h ago
I remember it would always default to book instead of cool
strathmeyer•4h ago
T9wording is still the easiest way to text while working a stick shift.
wkirby•4h ago
I dream of building an apple watch case that adds a T9 bluetooth keyboard. Turn the standalone Apple Watch into the dumbphone I've always wanted.
jorvi•4h ago
This is exactly my dream too, especially after seeing the Apple Watch prototype dumbphone cases they used to conceal them in public[0]. It would be a glorious re-purposing of the Apple Watch to serve the most diehard fans of the killed iPhone Mini.

Sadly the Apple Watch doesn't do proper external text input. You can connect a bluetooth keyboard, but it works by sending all input via the VoiceOver accessibility feature, which is slow and fidgety.

[0]https://cdn.idropnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/1509254...

jesprenj•4h ago
I never saw anyone use T9 in Slovenia, but from being online and watching american movies I noticed it's used almost universally. I guess it works for typing English but Slovene didn't get such good support. Plus it was never enabled by default so people (myself included) just learned to get fast fingers.
franga2000•3h ago
I remember disabling T9 as the first step when getting any "new" phone, so it must've been enabled on some. Then again, I rarely got phones new from the store, so this might have been because they were factory reset.

I don't think I ever really knew what it was, other than "that thing that made typing difficult". I doubt any phone shipped with a Slovene dictionary for T9, so it was probably just doing its best trying to map my seemingly nonsensical keypresses onto English words.

humanfromearth9•4h ago
Blind-typing an SMS on a Nokia 3310 was so fast... or at least that was the feeling. I still regularly miss those keyboards, in particular when I hesitate between swiping a word or typing it, guessing how autocorrect will fail if I don't type... This never happened with my 3310, and there was no need for it at all.
bee_rider•4h ago
I bet it just felt fast (there are lots of repeated key-hits, right?). I remember around that time (maybe a little later) I had a slide-out keyboard Samsung of some sort. I got a reputation for writing long texts, haha.
nkrisc•3h ago
I liked T9 but one of those Samsung phones you’re talking about were the last phone I had before I bought my first smartphone. Of course the one I had still had a keypad on the front so I could still type using T9 without looking.
kevincox•3h ago
Yeah, I had this too. T9 on the keypad was great for typing one handed without really looking while the keyboard was excellent for longer messages when you had two hands available.
o11c•3h ago
You're thinking of the inferior system that predated T-9. The whole point of T-9 was using a language-specific word frequency list so that words can be entered with just one digit per letter.

The main word pairs that this often fails for are "me/of" and "no/on" (edit: other super-common words are "go/in", "he/if", and "up/us"; "am/an" isn't a problem since you usually write "I'm"); prefixes that can end with "-er" or "-es" are also ambiguous. For those you need to press the arrows to select a possibility manually. If there's an ambiguity for longer words (usually, if the word you're looking for is not in the dictionary), you might have to use the arrows ahead of time and then keep typing before the space; it will try to complete suffixes that go after that prefix.

There are only around 2000 ambiguous digit sequences after excluding the -er/-es pair, and for most of those at most one is likely to be used in texting even if they're "common" in English.

The most ambiguous sets, with 6-8 "common" "words", are:

  2253 able bake bald bale cake calf
  22537 abler bake[rs] balds bales cakes calfs
  2273 acre bard bare base cape card care case
  22737 acres bards bare[rs] base[rs] cape[rs] cards cares cases
  24337 aides bides cheep cheer chefs cider
  269 any bow box boy cow cox coy
  4663 gone good goof home hone hood hoof
  46637 goner goods goofs homes hones hoods hoofs inner
  7243 page paid rage raid sage said
  727733 parred parsed passed rapped rasped sapped
  7277464 parring parsing passing rapping rasping sapping
  729 paw pay raw ray saw say
  7327 pear peas reap rear sear seas
  74337 ride[rs] rifer sheds sheep sheer sides
  7627 roar robs snap soap soar sobs
  7673 pope pore pose rope rose sore
  (no +7 since "popes" isn't common)
  78337 puffs queer ruder ruffs steep steer
  7867 pump puns rump rums runs stop sums suns
  787433 purged pushed rushed stride strife surged
Think about how often, while texting, you actually use the second-most-common of a given word set.
bee_rider•51m ago
Well this is going to make it very to report that I

Paid a sage boy to raid the pope’s home for cake goods.

But yeah, I guess that does make sense. Funny to miss such a significant thing—I was around then, but didn’t get a cellphone until the Samsung slider thing came out.

Izkata•3h ago
> there are lots of repeated key-hits, right?

Nope, one key per letter. T9 uses an internal dictionary to figure which word you meant, with some memory for preferred words when there's multiple matches and adding custom words.

49531•3h ago
Exactly this, and occasionally you'd have multiple words come up for the same number combo, but in a consistent manner where the user could learn how many times you needed to hit the 'next' button to get the word you wanted.
bee_rider•3h ago
Oh wow, that’s wild.
zxexz•3h ago
I used a flip phone for a ~week a couple months ago, I was amazed how fast T9 came back. Felt like riding a bike. I remember having a flip phone with a broken screen for a short while in the mid noughties, and being able to still make calls, send texts, change settings all from memory/muscle memory.
crmi•3h ago
Some of the young team haven't seen a rotary phone before.. Using t9 typing must seem like encryption to them.
akdev1l•4h ago
Why we don’t have t9 support on tv remotes???

I gotta aim and peck some bullshit or open up some app with a QR code instead. Give me T9

dsp_person•3h ago
smart tvs too busy adding spyware and AI bloat

maybe streamio + unified remote?

zzo38computer•3h ago
If you are doing searching, then a variant can be that it does not need to predict what words you meant, but will search for all words that match the numbers you pushed.

For example, if you try to search for a title and one of the words in your search is entered "223", then either "ace" or "bad" can be in that position, and if there is a title with "ace" matching in that position and a title with "bad" matching in that position, both are displayed.

So, this variant is you enter the entire title (or a substring of the title) first before it predicts what words you meant. After it is entered then all results are displayed, with a number next to each one, and then you must push the number corresponding to the one that you want.

GauntletWizard•3h ago
I'd take multitap any day over the terrible systems that we have now, with faux QWERTY keyboards displayed on screen (or worse, the whole alphabet in a line on Apple TV devices)
im3w1l•3h ago
This sounds like it would be mostly great but occasionally really awful if you get a lot of matches.
ortusdux•3h ago
Some phone directories use this method. "Please dial the numbers that correspond to the the first 4 letters of the last name of the person you would like to reach."
wildzzz•3h ago
On Android, I always enjoy how the dial pad in the phone app will let you start typing in numbers and it tries to match into a name or number. My favorite one, 666, brings up "Mom" as the first result.
akdor1154•1h ago
This feature is missing the final 20% in an infuriating way - it doesn't match characters with accents, so i can't use it to find my family.
mikepurvis•2h ago
Speaking of novel inputs, one of the only consistent uses of the PS4/5 controller's integrated trackpad is when games pop up a text input modal.

Always kind of saddened me there weren't more games that did interesting things with it, even things like scrolling around an overworld map.

stronglikedan•2h ago
Because that would require at least 8 dedicated buttons, instead of 5 buttons that can be used for other things when not in the keyboard context (dirs + enter). Of course, some manufacturers will sell you an upgraded remote separately to help make life easier.
ensignavenger•2h ago
I had a Vizio tv that just gave up the ghost on me. The remote had a full keyboard on the back! Best remote I have ever had. It ran the Yahoo connected TV platform. It was fantastic. (except the whole vizio spying on its customers thing... but the hardware and YTV platform were great!)
throw0101c•3h ago
"Flip phone typing" = T9:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T9_(predictive_text)

rfl890•3h ago
the library is named libt9, I believe the author is aware of this...
szszrk•3h ago
Then why is a flip phone in the title? That was not specific to flip phones at all.
stronglikedan•2h ago
Because vastly more people will know what "flip phone typing" is over "T9 typing".
thfuran•2h ago
Will they? I don't think I've ever heard it called that before.
jmbwell•1h ago
I figured other way around… Kids These Days might be more likely to have heard of a “flip phone” than “t9” and thus “engage” with this “content”
numpad0•1h ago
Maybe "T9" is trademarked?
throw0101c•2h ago
> I believe the author is aware of this...

What about those reading the headline and deciding whether to follow the link or not?

jauntywundrkind•3h ago
How does the web demo work? I can enter numbers but where do we see resolved words? https://foxmoss.github.io/libt9/
foxmoss•2h ago
Please submit an issue on the Github repo! This is a bug, it should automatically show with words as you type. Include platform details, console logs, etc. I am unable to test every platform alone sadly.
cortesoft•43m ago
I never learned how to type fast on those old phones because I couldn't afford to send text messages.

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